Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[VahnValbosce]

How many casuals would spend several hundred dollars to go to a convention in LAS VEGAS (very expensive area)? Not many. Hardcore players would without a doubt. Would you go to a comic book convention if you didn't care that much for what went on there?

Guess what, they are LOYAL fans who want to subscribe on a LONG-TERM basis. Casuals want to play for a bit and cancel their Sub some months and come back "here and there" to play every so often. Loyal Fans want to play for a long time, they want content that takes a long time to clear because its FUN and CHALLENGING. IMO Their money counts more than anyone else.

If you really want to start that argument about who spends more money and economic game health, then we can go that way, on those kind of terms.

[VahnValbosce]

Because SE will take 99 of us scrubs than 1 of you any day of the week.

YOU ARE THE ONE ASSUMING THAT 99% OF THE PLAYERBASE IS SCRUBS.

NOT ME.

So do NOT put words in my mouth.

%@#!'ing done with this thread.

[Geesus]

Before any elitists disagree with me, please tell us the last time you voluntarily helped another player to run coil content without any expectation of a reward. Exactly.

*raises hand*

Now, I don't consider myself elitist but, I'm not really a casual either. And I just helped 2 members, from another FC who, have been shat on by the so called "elitist" crowd and almost got them a 2 shot win in T5.

1-4 were cake of course. TY echo buffs and OP ilvl 100+ PT members. lol Point being, not EVERYONE is a dick because they enjoy challenging content. Now, there are members in my OWN FC. One I have been a part of and helped create from 1.0 that HAVE become pretty much assholes in how they treat others. Including some of our own members who have since moved on. But either way, it still doesn't mean the content should be "easy mode" for new people and casuals.

Part of the problem with this ENTIRE community is pretty much on point with what you mentioned. No one or VERY FEW people want to help. It's solo or carry me or make content easy.

[DoctorPepper]

Guess what, they are LOYAL fans who want to subscribe on a LONG-TERM basis. Casuals want to play for a bit and cancel their Sub some months and come back "here and there" to play every so often. IMO Their money counts more than anyone else.

I'm with you on the whole don't nerf coil thing but in my opinion you lose all your credibility when you lump casuals into a group who plays a bit and cancels their sub. Here's a newsflash for you, everybodies money has the same value and to come on these forums you need to have an active subscription. Just because you've been subbed a long time doesn't give you the right to belittle an entire group of players and tell them their opinions don't matter. I know casuals who haven't cancelled their sub since launch and only play a few hours a week.

It's great you're loyal and I'm sure SE appreciates it but we need the new players just as much as the old ones. I've been playing this game since 1.0 alpha and even I don't consider my money to be worth anymore than the people who just started. Get off your high horse because with arguments like this one you are definitely the one being childish.

Just because you don't agree with somebody doesn't make what they say nonsense, some people like it hard, some people like it easy and some people just don't give a fuck, that's life so get over yourself please.

[Velox]

I hate gray-area statistics and terms, so I try to think of content on a controlled scale of completion percentages to define what is easy and what is hard.

≥51% of the total playerbase can beat it = easy content
≤49% of the total playerbase can beat it = hard content
≤23% of the total playerbase can beat it = challenging content
≤9% of the total playerbase can beat it = extreme content

This is how I've balanced my games in the past. I'm not saying this is the best way to do it, as it will differ depending on structure, demographic, battle system, etc., but it has worked for me thus far.

[Aethaeryn]

Guess what, they are LOYAL fans who want to subscribe on a LONG-TERM basis. Casuals want to play for a bit and cancel their Sub some months and come back "here and there" to play every so often. Loyal Fans want to play for a long time, they want content that takes a long time to clear because its FUN and CHALLENGING. IMO Their money counts more than anyone else.

That's not necessarily true at all. Lots of hardcore players subscribe to MMOs for shorter periods of time because they are quick to jump to the next progression hype game. Just the same, lots of casual players stick around for years and never do anything more difficult than your average dungeon farm. Hardcore vs. Casual likely has very little to do with the type of people who attended. Casual players can be loyal too.

That being said, it still doesn't change the fact that a small number of people at a fan festival is not accurate representation of the entire player base. You can't even know how many people were booing in the first place. Japanese or European player opinions could be quite a bit different too.

[VahnValbosce]

I know casuals who haven't cancelled their sub since launch and only play a few hours a week.

...that's life so get over yourself please.

If your sooooo casual and spend 1 hour per week playing this game, you DO NOT deserve to clear coil, SIMPLE as that. You need to get over YOURSELF and accept it.

Goodbye.

[odintius]

Just because you don't agree with somebody doesn't make what they say nonsense, some people like it hard, some people like it easy and mostly like it normal mode >.> and some people just don't give a fuck, that's life so get over yourself please.

Agree with what you said, I would say I've added to quote I think for most people it just tone down the mechanics a bit not too excessively though but that too is an opinion of mine 0.0/.

[DoctorPepper]

If your sooooo casual and spend 1 hour per week playing this game, you DO NOT deserve to clear coil, SIMPLE as that. You need to get over YOURSELF and accept it.

Goodbye.

First of all I never even said 1 hour per week, several of the people I'm talking about Only log in for coil and have cleared several turns. Who are you to tell people what they deserve anyways? Wasn't it you who said that the people who pay the money should have the say? A few of them are legacy and have been playing since 1.0 with me so again, get over yourself.

Where is your legacy chocobo? Oh wait, you don't even have one. Your opinion must be of lesser value based on your previous posts.

[Norb]

And I'm done "discussing" topics with people on these forums.

I'm done with this topic.

%@#!'ing done with this thread.

Looks to me like you aren't "done" at all.