Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[abzoluut]

Is that why every week I see bad pugs after bad pugs on it? I'm not taking any side on this discussion but lets not say is cakewalk because is not. Is not one or two that had problems with it, is the vast majority I've pugged with. It cannot be just my extremely bad luck.

No, it's because people suddenly assume that endgame content should be perfectly doable in pugs. They forgot that the whole point of endgame = get a group, work to get the feel of the group, help each other out, learn from mistakes and such. This doesn't happen overnight. However, there is this group which whines about Coil but never ever attempted to create a group or LS with people trying to beat stuff. Or they'll give you this "other people are holding me back", yeh right..

It's not your fault the vast majority just goes in and can't play their job but still want to beat stuff. You'll wipe on T6/7/8/9 in i110 gear if the group isn't synced. Add players' approach to the game to that = impossible.

[VahnValbosce]

Why will you need i110 items at that point?

You're probably going to get access to i120 and i130 gear, as well as a consistent 15% Echo Buff for each turn in coil. That is already a HUGE NERF to 2nd coil, Why do you really need more??????...

My main past time on FFXIV is buying and selling, so I do have a bit of gil, but I probably would not drop 25 mil for some gear that might or might not be relevant to my class, when it is old content and should be playable by the non-hardcore raiders now.

You didn't even fully read my post as I can tell. People will be selling 2nd coil runs ALOT cheaper come 2.4...

Also, it seems like you spend alot of time farming/crafting to make gil. You DO REALIZE that people spend MONTHS with a static trying to clear 2nd coil right? They deserve the win, because they spent time WORKING HARD to get their clear.

[Edenholt]

It's not going to be the best gear when the fights are made easier. Final Coil gear is going to be better.

You can get mad about being called a special snowflake all you want, but that's all it is. You want your special snowflake high allagan gear to be special snowflake-only forever. Well sorry, but this game has gear obsolescence. In a few months that gear is going to be worthless glamor-only garbage. Get used to it.

You're sounding like one of those kids that covers their hears and start yealling as if it would suddenly make everybody believe what they say. Really sad and immature.
Either way, I didn't bother when they nerfed the first coil and nerfing the second won't affect me directly. What sadden me is the mindset of the "gamers" of today.The kinds like you doesn't want to play a game, you just wanna the shiny in the chest. Raiders are nobody special, the only one thinking they're special are the one who seems to be just "looking up to them", placing them on a pedestal and hating them for it.

Those "raiders" just have a different taste for game challenge than you and just like you they will defend the feature that interest to them. I couldn't care less if you can't finish the hardest content in the game, that's your problem, because I can finish it and that's all what matter to me, it affect me only when all the "gamers" come to the forums complaining they can't finish a boss because of rope jumping, because they have five jobs, a wife, 11 kids and two parrots to feed, because they hate interact with people, because their mouse don't click as fast as everybody else's and demand for "less punishing" raid fights. People that are so incompetent they can't even win a "scripted rope jumping fight".

[Shougun]

This, This, This, This.

That's all there is to say, discussion over. The playerbase crying about difficulty is an extremely vocal minority that are asking the developers to nerf content because they can't clear it. Basically they are trying to wave their subscription in the dev teams face asking if they can buy a win to 2nd coil because they don't have the time or patience to play the game and clear it normally.

If you're so determined to bribe the devs with your subscription fee to change content, then why not instead farm gil in game and get a free company to sell a clear run to you? Honestly if you criticize people who buy runs of Primal Extremes or Turn 5, Etc, yet think you are Perfectly fine for asking the dev team to Nerf content in game because "you pay a monthly sub and your voice matters" then you are quite disconnected in your logic.

Also, 2nd coil clear runs will be selling for a lot cheaper with the echo buff coming in 2.4.

It really is not this though.

2K people is not the majority of FFXIV players. Including all areas of the forums here is probably similar if not more on certain days and over time.

Also as a loud guy and knowing they have a number of loud people at that event, it would only require 10% at most to make it sound like a majority of the already minority crowd.

[Titor]

You're probably going to get access to i120 and i130 gear, as well as a consistent 15% Echo Buff for each turn in coil. That is already a HUGE NERF to 2nd coil, Why do you really need more??????...

I am not sure how having 15% more damage and healing would stop many of the one-shot or wipe mechanics that exist in second coil. Especially in DF. My schedule is too erratic to allow for a static. Why do you need old content to remain relevant? Why would you need this i110 gear? I highly doubt that you and your static, or many statics at all, are going to set aside an hour or two every so often to get some old gear that you all probably already have when instead you could be learning or practicing final coil and Shiva Ex.

Also, in relation to your edit, I would think that nearly halfing the price of Second coil is a pretty big cost reduction, though still not so affordable. And yes, they do deserve it, they had BiS gear for months, along with all those bragging rights and gear. I am not sure why this is still relevant when there is new content with higher level gear and new BiS. A few months after final coil is out, I do not think anyone will be using any of their high allagan gear and probably not running second coil anymore. I am not sure why they would have to keep this silent achievement to themself (No titles, not wearing any gear, whatnot)

[Riepah]

Any content that requires a large group is only as difficult as it is to get a competent group together. Raiding isn't that hard on the individual. Once you learn the fight, and if you are accompanied by a group of people who have also learned it, it becomes easy. The perceived "difficulty" comes just from the fact that it's so easy for one person to mess up and screw everyone else over. If people actually looked for real difficulty, they'd look for solo challenges, where success or failure really depend on the individual alone, not on whether or not the rest of the group does their job right.

[odintius]

[QUOTE= That's all there is to say, discussion over. The playerbase crying about difficulty is an extremely vocal minority that are asking the developers to nerf content because they can't clear it. If you're so determined to bribe the devs with your subscription fee to change content, then why not instead farm gil in game and get a free company to sell a clear run to you?[/QUOTE]

Well to be frank playerbase I estimate is about 800k player that debateable the fan fest was what 2kish ill be kind and give 3k so 800k-3k=797000 know we just need to figure out whos the casual who have a life and doesn't consider this their second job and then figure out who the elites are my guess they were at fan fest lol.

[Geesus]

Because at that time you'll be in the new gear sets of final turn of bahumut and the lesser people will not and the cycle continues after each patch. >.>

So then ... why not just wait till the content is nerfed and EVERYONE can waltz through with easy? Screw it. Why make the content a challenge at all?!
I haven't even cleared T7! But you don't see me joining the "I wants it easy mode cause hardcore is way a head of me." /cry C'mon. Either learn to play the game or go play Candy Crush.

I can already tell the nerf "White Knights" are the majority in this "conversation."

[Titor]

Any content that requires a large group is only as difficult as it is to get a competent group together.

This this this. I have been trying to pug a group for t7 for weeks now. I know, I KNOW I can one-shot it. It is never me messing up that wipes the raid, but one person who missed voice or shriek or failed to pick up a mob in time is the reason I have not gotten it down yet. I got it to near 5%, but the DPS were not pulling hard enough and enrage wiped us. It is not my inability to do it, but others.
I cannot get into a "weekly clear" party as I still have the myth bonus, and getting a static is too hard for my schedule.

[VahnValbosce]

Why would you need this i110 gear?

You are clearly neglecting the whole point of this topic. And I'm done "discussing" topics with people on these forums. Anyways, the main point here is that because you can't work on something, you want to wave money at it and get it, instead of putting in the required effort to obtain whatever it is you want.

If you seriously don't think i120/i130 gear + 15% echo buff is enough, then wait till you fight Turn 7 and realize how much MORE difficult a fight it will be when the person who got petrified is not killed in 1 hit. Goodluck with that, but you personally can't understand how that would make it more difficult, because you don't take the time to understand or learn mechanics in the first place.

I just want to say this again: You do Realize that people spend MONTHS with a static trying to clear 2nd coil right? They deserve the win, because they spent time Working HARD to get their clear.