Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Colt47]

The problem is a lot of people on DF are working for no reward. Spending 50-70 minutes and not succeeding in anything but training new players. I'm not asking for handouts or free clears.

Actually, the problem is the lockout system for the tiers. Right now the current content is T6-T9, but they are locking people out of those turns unless they've completed T5, which is still quite a feet to get through even with an echo buff. Also, like a lot of themeparks raiding often means keeping up with the demographic interested in it or losing out on seeing the content through. World of Warcraft managed to solve the problem with raid finder (probably a bit too well given what happened to a lot of guilds) and cutting back the mechanics enough so that the second wave of people could clear the content.

Final Fantasy XIV ARRs problem is we got the wave of raiders already past T5 and while it is possible to get some charity from more experienced players, the chances of anyone catching up to the late wave of players is pretty slim. It's not even about gear as much as experience and learning mechanics.

Also, unless someone can come up with a good reason why people MUST know T5 mechanics to do T6 mechanics, the entire lockout system is borked.

[LetBloodline]

Also, unless someone can come up with a good reason why people MUST know T5 mechanics to do T6 mechanics, the entire lockout system is borked.

if you can't complete T5 easied up like this you can't hope to beat T6 then you'll start whine since T6 is too difficult bla bla bla

[Barimu]

if you can't complete T5 easied up like this you can't hope to beat T6 then you'll start whine since T6 is too difficult bla bla bla

Have to agree here, If you can't beat t5, why would you even want to move on to higher turns? t5 is not difficult, honestly if you can't beat it then you have every right to not have access to t6+, the raids in this game are not difficult one bit but everyone and their mother is crying for nerfs and buffs and echo etc

[Fendred]

if you can't complete T5 easied up like this you can't hope to beat T6 then you'll start whine since T6 is too difficult bla bla bla

Problem 1: You are resorting to personal attacks.

Problem 2: The form of your personal attack against the above player generally indicates that you blame specific individuals for what constitutes the inability of an entire group to complete said content. Your attack is not only offensive and unnecessary, it isn't even targeting the right thing.

Nothing in his post was offensive. Yours, however, is. The forum mods can and will ban people for repeatedly personally attacking other forum goers.

And to others? Don't tolerate the kinds of posts LetBloodline made, please. Its not healthy for the forums in general, and certainly don't agree with the personal attacks other players make against some guy who just has a different opinion on things.

Also, Turn 6 is bloody easy compared to turn 5. I have no idea why someone would think turn 6 would "destroy" someone who is good enough to clear t1-t4 without echo buff and in the item level that the content was built for.

[LetBloodline]

useless white knighting

T6 is a fight that need a party and training. As t5. The problem is not that t5 is hard. The problem is that ppl are asking to beat t5 with random players not trained. If you have a below avarage trained ppl now on T5 you beat it with no problems. If you don't you won't beat T6 any time soon as well. Neither are difficult but t6 is way more deadly to inexperienced players than t5

A team not able to beat t5 nerfed will never be able to beat t6. You can get a team able to beat t6? Great, t5 will be a breeze

So if you let the team be able to take on t6 not being able to take on t5 we'd have this same topic with t6 instead if t5.

And i don't think that t5 will be a hold'em much longher. Probably with third coil and echo in t6-9 and them moved on DF they will take off t5 lock out.

And no, we don't need easy coil. This as any other MMO need some hard content and some easy content. As "pro players" can't whine about easy part if the game being too easy since it's ment to the more "casual" players so "casual" players can't whine about hard content studied for more "dedicated" players being too hard for them

[KarstenS]

Also, Turn 6 is bloody easy compared to turn 5.

T6 feels for many ppl easier, cause they've learned to play toghether in T5.

Try out T6 with a PUG and feel the difference

[LetBloodline]

T6 feels for many ppl easier, cause they've learned to play toghether in T5.

Try out T6 with a PUG and feel the difference

This one. And probably your comparison is the learning of T6 compared to the learning of T5 pre-nerf (not talking of first echo but the further nerf they did later to mecanics).
In that case T5 is indeed harder to learn. But now not anymore, you literally have only 2 mecanics to watch out for, divebombs and twisters (easied up more). All the other mecanics and dps checks are pretty much nullified. There is no way T6 is easier then the T5 we have now