Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Nicobo]

To those saying those contents are too easy now,
I would suggest you try to pug it in DF.
You may find now it is harder to clear than it was new ^^;

[IamBenpi]

Login. Loading Screen. Appear in world. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun duuun. You are now level 50 on all jobs, crafts, and gathering. You have every achievement, item, minion, etc. in the game. Congratulations!

Deny it all you want, this is what is being requested. If you completely suck and put forth no effort, you don't deserve to win. That sounds harsh but I'm sorry, a BLM (as an example) who is decked out in full i100 gear and yet still starts his dps rotation with 3 fire 1s instead of fire 3, does not deserve to be handed a T5 win.

You want older content to be easier, SE should add in job quests that actually require people to learn their job, instead of making it a face roll to 50 and then expecting them to not suck. Having said that, every job out there has countless forum discussions with number crunching and explanations on how to play them well. If you can't be bothered to learn, even after someone else has made a guide for you, you're not trying.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

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If you think that all that is what being asked for. Then you are not reading and sadly, you don`t want to do it.

Difficulty of high end content is way too high for casual players. And said difficulty added to the weekly lockouts doesn`t allow them to even "practice". So is really hard for them to even get close to beat the first coil, not to even talk about other walls like titan EX. Even titan HM is a challenge for parties of +i90 if they get together via DF.

There need to exist an instance that allows players to prepare better for said content, and quest won`t do it. For example, an easier (high echo + stat reduced enemies) version of Coils without any drops. Just for practice. So players learn the mechanics properly, can train themselves properly, can use their time properly and then they can move on to the real thing to get their gear progression.

You make content easier and more accesible to casual players? Yes.
You handed something to them in any way as you described? No.

[NJA]

Difficulty of high end content is way too high for casual players.

At the risk of repeating what has already been said by many others - simply no.

I'm a casual player, by which I mean I play for 5-6 hours per week. Does that make me a bad player? No, it does not. It DOES mean that I progress through content slower. I was irked by the fact that Demon Wall was nerfed just before I got to play AK as I was looking forward to some more challenging content. The same will be true of BCOB and future content.

This thread seems to suggest that casual players are getting stuck on content because they're worse players - we are not, we simply take longer to play through it. The suggestion that 'casuals need a practice mode' is somewhat insulting. Is DF full of inexperienced players? No, it's a mixture of inexperienced players and experience roulette players. Keep it up and check guides, you'll get better and eventually get a good group (or FC).

[Defteros]

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they are called HIGH end contents for a reason.
they are just not suited for casual players.
High end contents are for people who decide to spend their time playing these contents, learning mechanics,practicing.
you won't pass anything if your mentality is "yes, I want to pass T5 but I can try it only a few times a week because I need to farm soldiery to gear up my 6° class"
that's not how end-game contents works.

I am a casual player myself, i spend most of the time farming dungeons for glamour, leveling up DoL/DoH classes and other jobs.
I don't have time, and most importantly, I don't want to do end game content.

when I wanted to do primals Extreme, I spent my days doing Garuda EX till i cleared it.
I spent weeks on titan EX trying to learn mechanics, learning how to work my rotation at best with the continuous "dodge this" "dodge that".
eventually, i got tired, and resumed my casual play without clearing it.

[Defteros]

the point is.
what do you need a "nefted lootless coil" for.
yes, you clear the easy mode, do you really think that makes you capable of clearing the "normal" mode?

if you can't dodge divebombs in T5, you will never clear that. if you can't dodge plumes in titan ex, you will never clear that ( and you have 2 "easymode" titan, too!)
easy mode or not.
nobody will do a lootless content, if you want to practice, might as well do the real thing, if by some miracles, or the party skills, you clear it, you get the loot too.

[Urielparadox]

the echo buff never makes a fight harder, it just means you have to adjust your strategy. However what mechanics do you find "too challanging" for the casual gamer? divebombs, and preovergeared/echo buff conflags, but not now conflags are a joke, twisters have always been a joke(been hit 1 time by twisters ever and i'm a blm so yeah). all it requires you to do is react, now reaction is usually the problem, and unfortunately the natural lag that exist for ps3 users and low end pc users can give you less time to react and dodge

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Leviathan extreme is near impossible with a fully geared group and 25%
Twintania is much the same. You end up with all kinds of mixed up phases.
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wrong on so many levels. A fully geared group on levi b4 echo can skip every dive that isn't 100% required, this means you are actually skipping the entire challenging mechanic of the fight. Add in 25% echo and the fight gets even more easy so why you think a fully geared group would wipe enough to build a 25% echo Idk, but it does in fact make the fight a million times easier. also levi fight is 100% broadcasted if your getting knocked off repeatedly then stop playing while under the influence. I mean honestly levi is a joke, and easily the easiest ex primal fight second to ifrit.

twintania, you can only get 1 get messed up phase, not phases. The 1 bad phase you can get is pushing divebombs while a conflag is up, that's it. If you think you can mess up multiple phases then you don;t know enough about the fight and that is why you are failing. unless for some reason dps are attacking twintania while a conflag is up. which means your dps, don't know how to dps. if your dps is high enough to mess up conflag timing it's more then high enough to kill every conflag without cd's even if they area all fast conflags, been there and done that.

[micropanther7]

Yeah Ispano, I do agree there, about not wanting to learn! Very good points you brought up, it is true, some people just don't wish to, and feel some of the harder content is impossible for them, or just don't enjoy it. And I do agree that there's a difference between people who refuse to learn, and others who do wish to yet find it harder than most (can see why someone might find that insulting as well). I just object to people on both sides of the fence giving others a hard time, stop bickering and get playing!

[Divine_Intervention]

I just completed Titan extreme last night, then went into garuda ex for some fun. She died quickly. As many infuriating, tear hours as was spent on these DON'T nerf them even more. I like my fights difficult when they say they're gonna be.

[stoxastic]

Yeah this game really isn't that hard. For the most part, each individual class is not really that difficult to play, and most of the game's difficulty lies within the game mechanics.

But these mechanics aren't extremely difficult either. You just have to see them a couple times and focus. I don't believe that a person who is genuinely trying to improve their game will wipe to the same mechanics over and over. It's not hard to move over a bit during a twister cast. You just need to know when its coming and focus, which neither things are hard to do. Study the fight when you aren't playing. DF it for practice, but if you genuinely put the effort into learning the fights then you really shouldn't be wiping 20+ times to the same mechanics unless you are under 12 years old or something.

There are many other games out there (DOTA, StarCraft, CounterStrike) that are much more difficult mechanically and require much more practice than FFXIV. If you put forth the effort, this game is easy. The hardest part of the game is not mastering the mechanics, it's finding 7 other people that can master it as well. I will chalk up "bad" players to having a lack of effort in mastering the mechanics/class as opposed to genuinely being unable to play this game at a high level.

Honestly, this is the same argument when students say they're "bad at math." No, you aren't. You just don't want to put the effort into learning it.