The number of bad players are rising!

[MurakumoMillennium]

Actually if that is the goal, then it is more like a job/work/school. Not that it can NOT or shoul NOT happen, but it is secondary to having FUN.

FUN should be whole point. It should be fun even if people are NOT good at it, or if they are undergeared.

I for one would like to know some games where it's more fun to lose than to win. I bet there aren't very many of them.

The problem is the elitist speedrunner are the bad players, because they are making the game less FUN for everyone else. NOT that I can NOT appreciate a run done quickly and smoothly, I like those too, but they are ruining the experience of other players by forcing to them skip cut scenes, forcing them to skip mobs, skip treasure chests, etc. etc. They even go as far as bailing in the middle of runs

I'll agree with you on the people who stop mid dungeon and ask to be kicked or just go afk until they get kicked. But there's nothing wrong with being efficient in a dungeon via skipping trash, large pulls, skipping chests that you can go back to after, skipping CSs etc.

You say it's not fun to skip mobs, I say it's not fun to waste time killing things that don't yield exp or worthwhile drops. Who is right and who is wrong? (I'll give you a hint: it's neither).

And those elitist jerks can NOT be bothered to teach or help other players, because they think everyone else is a leach or freeloader.

There are acceptable levels of what should be taught in game. Most people are happy with explaining basic boss mechanics and such, as there's nothing in the game so difficult that it can't be explained within a couple of lines. It's when you have to teach level 50s very basic job actions that there's an issue.

Unfortunately, it's not that these "elitist jerks" aren't willing to help. Most people are willing to help. But you can only have somebody spit in your face so many times when you offer to help them that you just stop giving a @#$% and let them fail on their own.

You wouldn't believe how many times very basic advice (such as telling a DRG they should use heavy thrust, or that a BRD should use their DoTs) only to get the "DON'T TELL ME HOW 2 PLEY" or "IT WURKS 4 ME" responses. Don't stand in the fire! "HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO?! DO YOU PAY FOR MY SUBSCRIPTION? REPORTED FOR HARASSMENT".

So yeah, no. You can find out what to do just like everyone else did before you.

TL: DR Those so called "elitists" are more than willing to help somebody if the person in question is willing to learn.

[Foo01]

I for one would like to know some games where it's more fun to lose than to win. I bet there aren't very many of them.

Actually there are plenty. All the competitive games, e-sport, PvP style games necessitate at winners and losers. The game can still be fun even if you lose the battle, or the race (in which case there are far more losers than winners, think Gran Turismo, or any other racing game.)

You say it's not fun to skip mobs, I say it's not fun to waste time killing things that don't yield exp or worthwhile drops. Who is right and who is wrong? (I'll give you a hint: it's neither).

You are deliberately misreading things. The default is to not skip, but the issue is people being FORCED to skip. That is the problem the speed runners are forcing other people to do things they do NOT want to and there is NOT even an attempt to negotiate a compromise because it take too much of their time.

Unfortunately, it's not that these "elitist jerks" aren't willing to help. Most people are willing to help. But you can only have somebody spit in your face so many times when you offer to help them that you just stop giving a @#$% and let them fail on their own.

You wouldn't believe how many times very basic advice (such as telling a DRG they should use heavy thrust, or that a BRD should use their DoTs) only to get the "DON'T TELL ME HOW 2 PLEY" or "IT WURKS 4 ME" responses. Don't stand in the fire! "HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO?! DO YOU PAY FOR MY SUBSCRIPTION? REPORTED FOR HARASSMENT".

This complete strawman BS. Provided you are NOT trying to cuss at them when teaching them, most people will appreciate helpful suggestions, and not report harassment in response. But if you are forcing them to speed run with your veiled advice then you are harassing them and you are telling them how to play without negotiating with them as to how they would like to play.