The number of bad players are rising!

[MeiUshu]

why is it that so called good players expect players to be instantly good like they themselves are which are good to them but may be bad to others ?

strange uh?

Mei

[Shneibel]

why is it that so called good players expect players to be instantly good like they themselves are which are good to them but may be bad to others ?

strange uh?

those ppl just forgot they once are newb as well, the obvious

[CUTS3R]

those ppl just forgot they once are newb as well, the obvious

Thing is i may have been a "noob" long ago ( duriing Beta maybe ).
I have progressed in order to succeed instances without troubles, which is almost every time i run something with friends.

Where im getting at is, why should i, nowadays, allow myself to wipe, over things ive completed hundred times, just because someone is now "the noob" ?
It completely nullifies the purpose of all the efforts i made to progress. At this point, we may aswell call it regression.

To put it simply, i was once a "noob", im not anymore. And im only willing to play with people who are the same as me.

It may sound hypocrite, and you're right.

[skaterger]

Thing is i may have been a "noob" long ago ( duriing Beta maybe ).
I have progressed in order to succeed instances without troubles, which is almost every time i run something with friends.

Where im getting at is, why should i, nowadays, allow myself to wipe, over things ive completed hundred times, just because someone is now "the noob" ?
It completely nullifies the purpose of all the efforts i made to progress. At this point, we may aswell call it regression.

To put it simply, i was once a "noob", im not anymore. And im only willing to play with people who are the same as me.

It may sound hypocrite, and you're right.

Simple. Don't use the duty roulette. Set PF to be "1 mistake and kick" or whatever or run with your FC. Duty roulette is where its fair game and where you will most likely find new players. You can't have your cake and eat it.

[Seiryuukishi]

I have 7+ years experience in MMO's. Not every gamer is raid efficient or even interested in long term end game raiding. Some like to try and get a feel for it. Everyone including myself has a learning curve. For me Titan HM has been a bane. I have studied both visual and written guides on the pattern used in the fight. Only now is it sinking in. It's not from a lack of trying to learn it but I rarely run it to begin with so some information doesn't stick. As the saying goes: Don't use it you lose it. In every other MMO I have played I have always played a tank as main. Not so here. I have a lvl 50 Warrior but I have gotten so used to having such high health in other games that this was a bit of a "culture shock" to me. My Warden from lotro has 18k+ health in tank stance. I could take any hit. Here tanking is way too mobile for me. Not that I don't try. Actually giving it another chance. But I prefer healing/dps in ffxiv. People have to learn at their own pace. It's a game lol.

[Doo]

those ppl just forgot they once are newb as well, the obvious

Not all players that need help are newbies.

Also to be able to help someone they need to be able to take criticism and we all know how well this forum takes criticism. It's a fight to the death.

[CamAlch]

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

If you need to ask that you probably should not be playing an MMO.

This is an online multiplayer game. Everything is centered around playing with other people and not all players pick things up on as quickly as others, some need guidance. It is integral part of the MMO dynamic. And people who have no compassion or patience are the people who create toxic communities within MMOs.

Not saying that is you, or the OP for that matter. But just keep that in mind next time someone in your group is struggling and your sitting their rolling your eyes thinking "come on dude get your shit together". Give them a chance first.Offer direction and advice and you might be surprised.

[Doo]

If you need to ask that you probably should not be playing an MMO.

This is an online multiplayer game. Everything is centered around playing with other people and not all players pick things up on as quickly as others, some need guidance. It is integral part of the MMO dynamic. And people who have no compassion or patience are the people who create toxic communities within MMOs.

Not saying that is you, or the OP for that matter. But just keep that in mind next time someone in your group is struggling and your sitting their rolling your eyes thinking "come on dude get your shit together". Give them a chance first.Offer direction and advice and you might be surprised.

Dude, I understand what you're saying. I enjoy helping nice friendly people that really needs help. The issue is that people try to make it out like it's an obligation to help. Not everyone that needs help is a friendly newbie. You get taken advantage left and right. Helping at times, requires hours of your time depending on content and the persons learn rate.

[Khavir]

To be fair though from the other end of it. I'm a pretty quick learner coming from other games, I'm pretty much brand new. People have been pretty helpful as I've been going through the leveling process. I have however dealt with a few people that just seem extremely hostile towards me for sheer factor of the fact that I'm new, before every boss fight in a duty for instance I just ask "Hey is there anything I need to watch out for" or something along those lines, I don't want the group to wipe. I don't want to be the reason the group wipes. Ya know, it's really easy to just be like just get the candles in the corner or make sure and get the cannons when the dragon shows up. But every now and again you get someone who just turns into the assiest of asses for no real reason. I dunno I had a point and then I kinda lost it.

[CamAlch]

Dude, I understand what you're saying. I enjoy helping nice friendly people that really needs help. The issue is that people try to make it out like it's an obligation to help. Not everyone that needs help is a friendly newbie. You get taken advantage left and right. Helping at times, requires hours of your time depending on content and the persons learn rate.

And that might be where I would draw the line. I think it's important to make the effort, but the helping hand need only extend so far and at some point it's up to them to try and meet you half way.

We've all been there, banging your head against the wall because the person isn't getting it or better yet isn't receptive to your help or thinks they don't need it when they clearly do. That's when you turn around and head out the door.