The number of bad players are rising!

[Foo01]

I feel rude bads are way worse, at least with an elitist you can finish the dungeon, can't do that with a horribad that refuses to take advice.
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You're using elitist wrong.

Similarily, your assumption that rude bads that don't take advice is the norm is also wrong. It is a bogus strawman. Sure they exist, but they do NOT last very long and do NOT get very far either.

What really happens is rude elitist goes off on someone with their holier than thou attitudes and gets a pissed off response in turn. It takes one to known one. It is not called advice when it is an insult.

[Faedden]

Similarily, your assumption that rude bads that don't take advice is the norm is also wrong. It is a bogus strawman. Sure they exist, but they do NOT last very long and do NOT get very far either.

What really happens is rude elitist goes off on someone with their holier than thou attitudes and gets a pissed off response in turn. It takes one to known one. It is not called advice when it is an insult.

Never said rude bads were the norm or even implied it. You just wanted to say I was wrong because I told you, you were using the word wrong lol. Perfect example of why I don't even bother to help people. Especially since no where did I state rude bads are the norm or even sort of imply it.

I know elitists go off and all the stuff and it's very rare that anyone gets stuck with a true elitist and not a jerk. True elitist usually tend to have a static that they only run with. But things happen, they have to pug for one reason or another. Something goes wrong, they have a heart attack and if you ignore them, you can continue because they DO KNOW what they are doing. Bads on the other hand, have no clue what they are doing and don't wanna know.

But what most of you tend to forget is that because some... Actually alot, of poor skilled players taking advices as insults and telling you to GTFO.

I've been called elitist so many times for helping or being told "It's just a game" and I don't ever go off on people or say anything rude. So I just sit there and watch them burn now because I don't feel like the whole "elitist hardcore" battle. I'm a tank, if it bad enough I can always re que instantly.

No, they kick him over and call him a filthy senior citizen before skipping inside and waving at him once it starts raining. Then QQ about him blocking the doorway.

lmfao!!

[RegnumMagik]

The 1 - 49 contents needs to be a little more punishing to make people more aware of how to play their job, consider many of them tends to hate being offered advice.

[CUTS3R]

This.
Was in a dungeon with a whm that only used cure II and was running out of mana a lot in the middle of fights. A dps said "Hey whm, do you mind if I give you a few tips that'll help you out in the log run from running oom? " the whm replied. "You can but I won't listen" .___.

Bad.

This ^
Its funny how people always make this a one way issue.

But what most of you tend to forget is that because some... Actually alot, of poor skilled players taking advices as insults and telling you to GTFO, players like me who were initially nice and helpful turned into occasional jerks and are some time rude to someone who didnt do anything except being bad at this given time.
Simply because we couldnt hold it anymore after being called names for trying to be helpful on the 2349876 instances we ran before this one.

[Zhi]

It's called community. If you see an old man burdened with carrying too much and struggling to get through a door do you stop to hold the door open, or tell him next time look up a walk through for the door on YouTube and equip himself better?

I would walk on by, don't wanna get sued when he pretends to fall and blames me for the injuries kinda like when people try to help out new players only to see them lash back at them and go crying to forums or reddit or what have you

[Karnyboy]

I agree, they do a good job teaching you mechanics of dungeons via guildhests, but then they omit that and then suddenly at 50 your gear is crap and the encounters a tougher. Which is why new players have such crappy gear at Titan HM.

[SummonerSenah]

I think what most people are saying is that you should at least try to help. If you do that and they ignore your advice anyway, then you at least have more grounds to complain about it. :P I have given advice before and been ignored but that didn't discourage me from still doing it. For every person that ignores you, there's usually one that does listen. They might not even acknowledge what you said, but you can see it in how they play. I got story Haukke Manor in low level duty roulette and one of the DPS was an arcanist who I could tell didn't have their pet on obey because it went into the first boss room and almost started the fight without the rest of us. So I told them, put pet on obey to prevent that. The arcanist didn't say anything, but their pet also didn't aggro bosses after that so I assume they did listen.

[Mladenaught]

Two days ago I ran into a drg that died so much her armor broke in CM. Yesterday I ran into a WHM that couldn't doge to save his life so he died over and over and our group kept wiping! These are just two examples, I could go on and on.

P.S. I don't know if they are doing it because they are board or if they really are that bad of a player. But what ever the reason its getting annoying.

As if I care - I'm having a blast dying because every time I die, there is a reason on why and that's a lesson to count for.
If you don't die, you don't learn.
In other news: don't PUG, join a FC and do Coils with people you know. /wave

[Terius]

I don't suffer fools.

[XanderOlivieri]

I don't see relatively new players as bad players. They haven't learned yet, and eventually they will. It takes time to find your way to play and some have to experiment with other classes to find the right one for them to play. An occasional mistake doesn't make them bad, as I've seen people claiming to be pro, have better gear than me, and be the single cause to every wipe I'd experience in the dungeon run. Had this happen with Amdapor Keep, when the WHT kept dropping the purple pulsing balls of death right in the fighting area of the boss. He was in i70 gear. He took his time, but learned how to play the boss, after around 9 wipes. We beat the dungeon after 2 tanks left.

I certainly don't think he was bad because of his performance since he had better gear than I did.

What I consider Bad Players are the people who get slighted by the appearance of a new player, start harassing the player and or team they are on for a few mistakes. A CT run I had one guy from another team just bashing everyone else. He'd throw insults around at other teams for a accident or if we wiped because his team rushed in without us. At one point, one of our tanks trolled him and his team, we were forced to kick him after that cause he was just becoming a liability. The same guy insulting others just kept with increasing negative remarks towards the dungeon run when he and his team started to fall behind. He alone made the entire CT experience a horrible run. We didn't even get through Behemoth's part because he and his friends kept bailing and refused to help the other teams. He is what I'd call a bad player. Someone who maliciously causes trouble for others.

New Players can learn and get better, but you can't fix or change people who live to cause trouble for others.