The account suspensions and gil reset leave a black mark on this game.

[HumsterMKX]

White Knight logic... how the hell they come out with statements like that..

[silentwindfr]

personally i think you have get what you deserve... at the start of the game a lot of people, almost everybody, have said, the gil generate is not enough... still the crafter have continue to sell stuff at price often ridiculous...
what it did lead to? the RMT was on the rise...
what is amusing it's mostly new player server that have seen some of the most amazing stuff... like people getting more of 25M in 1 month... when people was generating with them story quest around 250.000 gils...
you did play with the market to the point to squeeze insane amount of gils from a server that was news... don't tell me you have never think one second: "hey some of the gils i get are from the RMT, maybe i must stop the time to see what will happend!" never you have think at this and look at you.

you did think is a free market i can do whatever i want, is not my trouble! sadly for you, SE take pretty seriously the RMT and anything leading to them rise in power...
i will not be shocked to see soon the group of people that sell kill of monster for insane price be the next hit.

ps: not a white knight logic, you are angry that SE did take from you your gils that you have get from abusing the market (not all have done it). if that make me a..."white knight" i don't care. instead to cry on the forum play and get back this fortune...

[GYX]

If SE targets 1% of the community and 99% says "Oh well, I wasn't affected, I don't care"

There are roughly 500 posts about this subject, that's being very generous since most of them consist on the same people posting over and over.
At a total population estimate of half a million, that number represents 0.001%. Since realistically speaking only 5-10% of the population is active on the forums, that brings the number to an astounishing .09%, more or less, of people complainning by this "game pooping" problem.

I would think that the amount of gold sellers in this game account for far more than that, so you very well be sticking up for them.

And no one will be labeling anyone a cheater unless you let them know. Is not like SE is making a list of suspended accounts public.

[Susanoh]

personally i think you have get what you deserve... at the start of the game a lot of people, almost everybody, have said, the gil generate is not enough... still the crafter have continue to sell stuff at price often ridiculous...
what it did lead to? the RMT was on the rise...
what is amusing it's mostly new player server that have seen some of the most amazing stuff... like people getting more of 25M in 1 month... when people was generating with them story quest around 250.000 gils...
you did play with the market to the point to squeeze insane amount of gils from a server that was news... don't tell me you have never think one second: "hey some of the gils i get are from the RMT, maybe i must stop the time to see what will happend!" never you have think at this and look at you.

you did think is a free market i can do whatever i want, is not my trouble! sadly for you, SE take pretty seriously the RMT and anything leading to them rise in power...
i will not be shocked to see soon the group of people that sell kill of monster for insane price be the next hit.

ps: not a white knight logic, you are angry that SE did take from you your gils that you have get from abusing the market (not all have done it).

Selling on the markets is not a moral dilemma. It's basic supply and demand. If demand is high, the prices go up. If demand goes down, so do the prices. Do you even realize that the consumer is just as important to the setting of prices as the seller? Anyone who's played the markets in this or any other game knew how the markets were going to work. SE knew how they were going to work too, and I am willing to bet they would never in a million years come out and openly state that selling items based on supply and demand are cheaters. They would be a laughing stock. This thought process is not and most likely will not be coming from SE, it's only perpetuated by a portion of the player base that don't understand the basics of an in game economy.

[OldGeezer]

In a free market, a "reasonable price" is whatever price people are willing to pay. If a crafter prices an item too high, then no one will buy it, and the crafter is forced to lower the price... Would you blame Ferrari if some envious middle class man robs a bank in order to buy one of their cars? "Well, Ferrari should have priced their cars the same as a Corolla so that everyone could afford one, they're just as much at fault as the bank robber."

Except you didn't have a market yet. You had wild speculation inflated by people with illegal gil. You had people with ill-gotten gil spending millions like water, while the legitimate buyer only has around 250k from doing the storyline quests. You didn't have a market then, you do now-now that a significant part of the player base is now 50 and prices are now in psuedo-equilibrium.

Does Ferrari get a credit on their books with a purchase made with counterfeit money? The answer is no, it's a loss.

[silentwindfr]

well i prefer go play than continue this, you simply don't want to admit that you have part of fault in the trouble...
instead to move on, you are waiting there, screaming, crying... for some even threating them to get the gaming press or to use the law...

you want to be free to do whatever you want even if the server is crowned with RMT bot *shrugs*

[Susanoh]

There are roughly 500 posts about this subject, that's being very generous since most of them consist on the same people posting over and over.
At a total population estimate of half a million, that number represents 0.001%. Since realistically speaking only 5-10% of the population is active on the forums, that brings the number to an astounishing .09%, more or less, of people complainning by this "game pooping" problem.

I would think that the amount of gold sellers in this game account for far more than that, so you very well be sticking up for them.

And no one will be labeling anyone a cheater unless you let them know. Is not like SE is making a list of suspended accounts public.

Many who complain on the forums are labeled cheaters by the community. In that one vague statement SE gave on the matter, they mentioned third party tools and RMT, they made absolutely no mention of legitimate players.

If it turns out I am only sticking up for RMT and everyone affected is a cheater, then I'd gladly admit I'm wrong, but there's a lot of testimonials floating around and the actions taken against those players suggest that this is not the case. If SE had a process that involved more than "try and catch a bunch of people with a lot of gil and reset their progress," and it turns out they actually thoroughly investigated and every single player affected is a cheater, it would be nice to hear something from a representative that confirms that this is the case. If we just shrug our shoulders and say "Oh well, we can't know either way" and don't bother to ask for a higher standard, it gives SE free reign to take any action against the players with no backlash whatsoever as long as they make sure to target a small minority.

[seekerofpower]

By your logic, a luxury car maker would be responsible for someone robbing a bank to buy their car, a mugging victim responsible for the assault because he had too nice of a jacket on, and a rape victim for the rape because they were too attractive. You are free to feel that way (the sad part is many in the world still do), but it is my opinion that these type of blame-the-victim mentality are… well, not very good.

The difference here is, people are being told they need those 4m gil bracelets and 2.5m gil rings before they start running end game dungeons and are griefed when they get there if they don't have them.

I didn't care to upgrade my jewelery before I started AK and I did fine without it, but some people who aren't as confident in their abilities, or have never really done end game in MMOs before, may not know what to expect and end up thinking they NEED these items.

[Susanoh]

well i prefer go play than continue this, you simply don't want to admit that you have part of fault in the trouble...
instead to move on, you are waiting there, screaming, crying... for some even threating them to get the gaming press or to use the law...

you want to be free to do whatever you want even if the server is crowned with RMT bot *shrugs*

All I want is for players to be able to use the markets as designed. They were designed with no regulation and clearly intended for supply and demand to take its course. If the markets aren't intended for supply and demand to take its course (they are, but just for the sake of including all options in this post), then I'd like for SE to openly state what is and isn't allowed when selling on the market so that we know what is and is not an offense. If using the markets in itself is an offense because they might include gil obtained by RMT, then SE should just remove the markets and any form of player trading entirely because everyone who uses them is guilty (again, this isn't SE's stance and it's not going to happen).

[Aicasia]

The fact that people are defending Squeenix's decision here is depressing. The only legitimate reason to ever remove money from circulation is if it is fake. Not if it is obtained illegally. There is a HUGE difference between counterfeit money and stolen money.

If someone uses a bot and sells their farmed goods, that money isn't counterfeit. It might have been obtained illegally (even though it wasn't, the goods were just legitimately farmed illegitimately), but its still legal tender.

If someone dupes their gil, then it is counterfeit and can be removed. I highly doubt almost 400 BILLION gil was counterfeited/duped. There was no reason to remove most of it.