The account suspensions and gil reset leave a black mark on this game.

[Masked]

I remember ArenaNet started banning people and everyone was innocent. "ArenaNet is just banning whomever they like!" was the charge.

So ANet did an AMA on Reddit. All players had to do was give their character name and ask why they were banned.

They def need to do something about the botters.

The irony is that most of the people actually giving the responses, saw how stupid the bans were and that tech started fixing it right there and then.

Remember the exodus?

I have a few friends stuck in the middle of this...Definitely is a legitimate issues but, ultimately it's pointing out how "the west" handles customer service...Which is: Very badly.

If the CS continues as it is, I'll be unsubbing as well. I don't pay $15/month for random banning and 0 GM support...Just doesn't work that way.

[Nica]

All the stories are "I was the first crafter/gatherer on a new server and made millions", not I'm a a level 35 crafter with 400k, got suspended, and relogged with only 4k to my name. Where are these victims of this atrocity?

It’s generally not a good idea to use anecdotal evidence, much less assumptions drawn from said anecdotal evidence, as the basis of one’s argument, especially when you’re making statements that presumes knowledge of hard data.

The commonly accepted norm for forum participation is what, around/less than 10% of the total playerbase? Forming a sweeping conclusion based on a few forum posts is like interviewing 2 guys from France and decide what all Europeans are like. While you can certainly do so, your conclusion is not very likely to be accurate.

Considering most new people who make 50 only have around 250k to their name, they can't buy the items that went for 100k-1mill+. Only the gill buyers could.

You’re presuming that the vast majority of the player base did not engage in any activity other than the main story quests. Now think about that for a second.

Are you really going to claim that the vast majority of new players did not do the following:

Guildhests; Guild/GC leves; gathering; crafting

You mean the fella who spent 300k on mats and sold the +2 star item on the marker for 1.25 million? Yeah, 400% markup is peanuts. The real question is does it cost them that much for the same materials now that markets have stabilized? I'm betting their costs have gone down significantly.

I don’t know about your server, but for your number to work out, tomestones item on your server would have to cost less than 33k each, which would make people who spend 1.25mil for them quite, well, not particularly smart. This is assuming you are talking about the 9 item recipes, as the 18 item recipes naturally costs twice as much in materials. Still not a smart buy at 1.25mil, but less offensively so.

That being said, I assume those 1.25mil are for HQ version, which then also warrants extra premium, especially on new servers where crafters that are skilled across multiple disciplines would be less common than on legacy servers.

FYI, tomestone items on my server is around 60-70k these days, and HQ 9 item recipe items are selling for around 1mil or so.

Now this is a development. Not everyone was hit with the 90% brush. Vetting was done to accounts. Not to the extent that innocent players would want, but I doubt SE assigned enough resources to properly comb though the tens of millions of AH transaction that occured. The plot thickens.

Wait, you have no faith in all the other posters who claims they were wrongfully hit by SE, but you have no problem buying into this one?

[Ryios]

So if people legitally earned 8+ mil gil in a month, how exactly did they do it. I find it hard to believe. I know that if you farm CM for philo and sell coke and stuff it's possible, but who in their right mind is going to go on 250 CM runs to buy enough coke at 40k each to make 8 mil gil.... I would go bat shit insane before I made it to 250.

So like I said, I know it's possible, but what back breaking, grindy method did you execute to acquire such wealth.

[YuriRamona]

You mean the fella who spent 300k on mats and sold the +2 star item on the marker for 1.25 million? Yeah, 400% markup is peanuts. The real question is does it cost them that much for the same materials now that markets have stabilized? I'm betting their costs have gone down significantly.

Oh, then maybe the crafter should sell the equipment for only a 20% markup then. Wait, what's that? The item sells faster when you price it lower? You don't say! Well, maybe the crafter will just put up another... oh wow! It sold already! It's almost as if there's some kind of economic principle that suggests lower price results in an increased volume of sale... Of course, there are exceptions, such as when the economy is receding or currency is deflating (not too sure if that's the case in Eorzea, can you help me out here?)

Oh, and now that all those ingredients for the materials are being gobbled up at such a fast pace, there's an incentive for gatherers and suppliers to put more goods on the market... Wow, it's almost as if it's impossible to avoid incredible profits when there's inflated gil flowing through the economy and no mechanism whatsoever for crafters/suppliers to be able to collectively re-set prices and mark down items besides exiting the market and waiting out... (I mean, it's not like RMT won't get the message and also back out of the market, and wait for prices to settle to a reasonable level. If nothing else, RMT abhor abusing the system for short-term gain.)

/sarcasm

[jdnyc]

0 GM support...

That right there...would solve a majority of the issues this community has. They need GMs that will actually do something in-game.

[Susanoh]

So if people legitally earned 8+ mil gil in a month, how exactly did they do it. I find it hard to believe. I know that if you farm CM for philo and sell coke and stuff it's possible, but who in their right mind is going to go on 250 CM runs to buy enough coke at 40k each to make 8 mil gil.... I would go bat shit insane before I made it to 250.

So like I said, I know it's possible, but what back breaking, grindy method did you execute to acquire such wealth.

You don't have to endlessly grind dungeons to make gil. If a crafter makes 4 items that will make them an average of 20k each, then those items will make them 80k once they sell. If a crafter fills their retainer slots with the maximum 40 items and those items sell for an average of 20k each, then once those items sell they will make 800k once they sell. Factor in that at launch, there's a high number of items being bought and sold due to people leveling their classes and buying up whatever they like with whatever money they have, and it's not tough to see how the first crafters and gatherers could sell hundreds upon hundreds of items. Everyone knows about the people who join a new MMO and rushes their combat job to 50, endlessly raids and gets decked out in a week. While they're off doing that, crafters are crafting, and gatherers are gathering. They may not be standing the middle of town with their weapon out to show everyone how cool they are with their relic +1, but they still exist and they can be quite effective at what they do, and it's no more or less legitimate than the actions of anyone else in the game.

[Masked]

So if people legitally earned 8+ mil gil in a month, how exactly did they do it. I find it hard to believe. I know that if you farm CM for philo and sell coke and stuff it's possible, but who in their right mind is going to go on 250 CM runs to buy enough coke at 40k each to make 8 mil gil....

Something is only worth what the next idiot is willing to pay.

Many of the first crafters priced things at X (overpriced and beyond) then person Y bought Gil to afford X thus, causing a bloated market and more inflation...So this is actually a very real and understandable situation considering the people it's effected.

That right there...would solve a majority of the issues this community has. They need GMs that will actually do something in-game.

A majority?

If this game had the same support Rift did or EQ...I'd even take GW2 at this point, they'd have significantly more success than they do now...Bleh.

[tegrof]

I disagree.

I don't buy into the amount of "innocents" being claimed.

[Eliniell]

I dunno. I call BS on how 'innocent' a lot of the people complaining are. The suspensions themselves were pretty unfortunate, and I think people should be compensated for that. However, I have multiple people in my FC that had substantial amounts of gil, and were suspended, but none of them lost anything aside from time. It seems to me that the people who lost their Gil were, in some way, connected to the Gil sellers or botting.

[Masked]

However, I have multiple people in my FC that had substantial amounts of gil, and were suspended, but none of them lost anything aside from time. It seems to me that the people who lost their Gil were, in some way, connected to the Gil sellers or botting.

If throwing something up on the market and selling it at an inflated price was illegal, than we might as well arrest Mark Zuckerberg for Facebook's IPO launch.

Many of the people that had Gil taken were innocent. They just played the market.

It really doesn't matter who was innocent or not...What DOES matter is the lack of customer service involved in the matter.

Those that are disputing the ban are caught in a ridiculously inefficient catch 22 with SE's CS debacle and there are more bots running around now, than there ever were previously while those that were innocently persecuted are still being strung along.