Re-rolling from Warrior, thoughts?

[Zumi]

PLD has way more damage mitigation and a lot more defensive cooldowns then war. PLDs have better utility a stun with no cooldown shield bash and a silence as well with spirits within. Silence is very important when fighting the ADS mobs in Coil.

Its just bad bringing a warrior to coil not only will they take more damage and be harder to heal, they won't be able to silence high voltage on any ADS type mob. Makes almost everything harder taking a warrior to anything SE needs to fix the class.

[Sylve]

PLD has way more damage mitigation and a lot more defensive cooldowns then war. PLDs have better utility a stun with no cooldown shield bash and a silence as well with spirits within. Silence is very important when fighting the ADS mobs in Coil.

Its just bad bringing a warrior to coil not only will they take more damage and be harder to heal, they won't be able to silence high voltage on any ADS type mob. Makes almost everything harder taking a warrior to anything SE needs to fix the class.

The Tank has to do everything, All the time, Because not a single other class in the game has the capability to Stun or Silence.

Oh Wait.
Monks have an AoE Silence, Warriors have a Stun, Lancers have a Stun and Bards (i believe) have a shot that silences.
Just off the top of my head.

Have you ever considered having your DPS pay attention?

[Furious]

The Tank has to do everything, All the time, Because not a single other class in the game has the capability to Stun or Silence.

Oh Wait.
Monks have an AoE Silence, Warriors have a Stun, Lancers have a Stun and Bards (i believe) have a shot that silences.
Just off the top of my head.

Have you ever considered having your DPS pay attention?

Who cares? The paladin has spammable stun available that doesn't require the dps to lose focus from DPS, as well as better survivability and mitigation in every way. Why involve three people in a chain of interrupts, potentially costing DPS and exponentially increasing points of error, when you can have your tank take less damage and coordinate only with himself for interrupts for most of the time? Monks are definitely amazing for silence on ADS, but it's not like your taking the paladin BECAUSE he has stun and only that; it's just another part of an already superior package.

[Sylve]

Who cares? The paladin has spammable stun available that doesn't require the dps to lose focus from DPS, as well as better survivability and mitigation in every way. Why involve three people in a chain of interrupts, potentially costing DPS and exponentially increasing points of error, when you can have your tank take less damage and coordinate only with himself for interrupts for most of the time?

Right. Because DPS is a very consuming task. Requires every ounce of brainpower in order to do it right. Cant possibly have your Monk switch Dragon Kick out for HotD and get AoE silences every 6 seconds with no DR with an off the GCD single target stun. Nope way too hard.

[Furious]

Right. Because DPS is a very consuming task. Requires every ounce of brainpower in order to do it right. Cant possibly have your Monk switch Dragon Kick out for HotD and get AoE silences every 6 seconds with no DR with an off the GCD single target stun. Nope way too hard.

You can have all of that, AND a pld. Hey, how about that.

[RyuujinZERO]

The Tank has to do everything, All the time, Because not a single other class in the game has the capability to Stun or Silence.

This. As team co-ordination goes it often feels like the tanks and healers are handling all of it and us DPS are left sitting outside the war room while the generals draw up the plans and get treated as if we're incapable of doing more than merely rotating the same few skills over and over; not all of us DPS are playing DPS because we're incapable of higher strategy (In other MMO's I favour controller classes but FF14 has no dedicated controller, and support was boring), ironiclly the very thing we're discussing here is the delegation of the controller role to other classes.

Lancers have a great stun (Leg sweep) on very short CD (~20 seconds as memory serves), archer's have a silence (Blunt arrow) on a reasonable cooldown (~30 seconds), us monks have both a stun AND silence, but have a longer CD (40 sec) or finicky usage condition (Must be in opo-opo form) respectively.

[Aicasia]

The Tank has to do everything, All the time, Because not a single other class in the game has the capability to Stun or Silence.

Oh Wait.
Monks have an AoE Silence, Warriors have a Stun, Lancers have a Stun and Bards (i believe) have a shot that silences.
Just off the top of my head.

Have you ever considered having your DPS pay attention?

Stuns don't work on ADS. If you're asking a monk to use Arm of the Destroyer instead of Bootshine or Dragon Kick on a single target then your group composition is wrong, because 130 TP for a 1s silence is the least possible efficient way to deal with that situation. Doable, but should really never be necessary. That leaves Bards and Paladins, so you better have two bards for ADS if you don't think the PLD should be silencing.

[RyuujinZERO]

Stuns don't work on ADS. If you're asking a monk to use Arm of the Destroyer instead of Bootshine or Dragon Kick on a single target then your group composition is wrong, because 130 TP for a 1s silence is the least possible efficient way to deal with that situation. That leaves Bards and Paladins, so you better have two bards for ADS if you don't think the PLD should be silencing.

A 1 second silence is essentially an interuppt. It's not intended to blanket shutdown the enemies, you're timing it to coincide with skill activation so their spell breaks. Between invigorate and bard song a pair of monks timing their rotations to be half a cycle out from each other and replacing bootshine with arm of the destroyer in their rotation could effectively shut down an entire group's spellcasting for a very significant duration (~a minute or more). It's arguable if their DPS would even take a hit if they're hitting multiple opponents the net HP lost from the enemy force is comparable to the focused DPS of bootshine (Threat may become an issue however)

[Aicasia]

A 1 second silence is essentially an interuppt. It's not intended to blanket shutdown the enemies, you're timing it to coincide with skill activation so their spell breaks. Between invigorate and bard song a pair of monks timing their rotations to be half a cycle out from each other and replacing bootshine with arm of the destroyer in their rotation could effectively shut down an entire group's spellcasting for a very significant duration (~a minute or more)

A 1s, 130 TP, stance dependent silence that is never worth using on one target unless you're soloing and can't use Steel Peakt. If you HAVE to use a Monk for silencing it's a good move, but if you have a Paladin and a Bard you should never ask your Monk to silence anything, especially not ADS.

And "an entire group of casters" is not a single target. ADS is a single target. If you have three or more targets you should be hitting, then you should be using Arm regardless of the Silence. Like I said, if you HAVE to use the Monk for silencing its good, but if you don't have to you shouldn't, because it is not as on-demand as the PLD and Bard silences. They have to sit in a single stance to get the silence if they're not perfectly synced with High Voltage. I mean, Arm definitely has its uses, but I guarantee that if you are making ADS one of those you're doing it wrong. They can be a backup, but by the time you realize someone missed their silence it's generally too late to use Arm unless you were sitting in stance waiting. High Voltage isn't really a long cast.