Re-rolling from Warrior, thoughts?

[Zaiken]

I suggest you reread my post, starting with the Third line, and the 6th line. That 20% reduction from Shield Oath is calculated, if you had bothered to read it.

I don't mean that passive buff, I mean their skill buff Rampart, Sentinel, Awareness, Bulwark ( 60% block rate on shield.)

[Rillifane]

I don't mean that passive buff, I mean their skill buff Rampart, Sentinel, Awareness, Bulwark ( 60% block rate on shield.)

Awareness can be cross classed to warrior so you might want to scratch that off your list.

[Sylve]

I don't mean that passive buff, I mean their skill buff Rampart, Sentinel, Awareness, Bulwark ( 60% block rate on shield.)

Always judge a tanks ability to survive *without* cooldowns, or random chance. Both of which you claimed should be added. You will not always block. You will not always have Rampart or any other damage reduction buff. There are times when none of that is available and THOSE are the moments we math for. Any undergeared scrub tank can survive what would otherwise kill him if he blows all his cooldowns to do so.

[Zaiken]

Always judge a tanks ability to survive *without* cooldowns, or random chance. Both of which you claimed should be added. You will not always block. You will not always have Rampart or any other damage reduction buff. There are times when none of that is available and THOSE are the moments we math for. Any undergeared scrub tank can survive what would otherwise kill him if he blows all his cooldowns to do so.

But you can't just dismissed that a Paladin have all this ability to his access. A good Tank know when to use his ability and when not to burn all of it in one shot. You can't just take 2 class to compare them without any of their ability to migrate damage as a Tank. The ability are there for a Paladin and not on a Warrior for a reason. It's not like once the Paladin use those ability it will be gone forever, it will just be on a cool down. The Paladin will always have access to it when the Warrior does not making the Paladin overall easier to heal and taking less damage overall. This is especially true with long Boss fight. For long Boss fight, Paladin will shine over a Warrior.

I have play 2 class Paladin and Warrior to 50, and I find Paladin Tank better for single boss fight and for long Boss battle then a Warrior.

[Sylve]

But you can't just dismissed that a Paladin have all this ability to his access. A good Tank know when to use his ability and when not to burn all of it in one shot. You can't just take 2 class to compare them without any of their ability to migrate damage as a Tank. The ability are there for a Paladin and not on a Warrior for a reason. It's not like once the Paladin use those ability it will be gone forever, it will just be on a cool down. The Paladin will always have access to it when the Warrior does not making the Paladin overall easier to heal and taking less damage overall. This is especially true with long Boss fight. For long Boss fight, Paladin will shine over a Warrior.

I have play 2 class Paladin and Warrior to 50, and I find Paladin Tank better for single boss fight and for long Boss battle then a Warrior.

Except ... I can. And absolutely should, since the Paladin community does exactly the same thing to Warriors in order to call them inferior. With 90 - 180 second recast timers on those survivability cool-downs, you cannot guarantee 100% blanket coverage. Therefore, we must calculate for a 'worst case scenario' in which both Tanks have used their entire repertoire of cool-downs and are in limbo relying base survival values.

[Zaiken]

Except ... I can. And absolutely should, since the Paladin community does exactly the same thing to Warriors in order to call them inferior. With 90 - 180 second recast timers on those survivability cool-downs, you cannot guarantee 100% blanket coverage. Therefore, we must calculate for a 'worst case scenario' in which both Tanks have used their entire repertoire of cool-downs and are in limbo relying base survival values.

You're only a level 30 Marauder and a level 16 Gladiator. I don't think you have yet to experiment all this class to it full potential yet. You should try getting both class to 50 and do End Game with it, because right now you just base your statistic on the class ability itself without even trying it out yourself.

Don't get me wrong, both class are capable of Tanking. But it easier to do on a Paladin and the survivability is better. Warrior have more HP but don't have as much damage migration skill as a Paladin. Paladin also have instant stun as well as silent while Warrior have stun only.

[Vmage]

Except ... I can. And absolutely should, since the Paladin community does exactly the same thing to Warriors in order to call them inferior. With 90 - 180 second recast timers on those survivability cool-downs, you cannot guarantee 100% blanket coverage. Therefore, we must calculate for a 'worst case scenario' in which both Tanks have used their entire repertoire of cool-downs and are in limbo relying base survival values.

it's not about 100% coverage, it's about having timers when they're required

I play both classes, I would prefer to be a warrior, but if you're trying to progress in the actual endgame (coil) a warrior is sub-par

it's possible to bring paladin and a warrior for turns 1-3, it's probably doable to double warrior turn 1 (although the first half of the fight would be hellish on healers, or if you screwed up the stacks)

turn 4 though, I'm really doubtful that a warrior could tank two dreadnaughts - at least in their current state.

it's not that warriors don't have their own defensive CDs, it's that they pale in comparison to rampart and sentinel

when I know I'm taking big hits (1500s, sometimes double 1500s) from a mob, and then for my role I have to tank two of those (quad 1500s) rampart and sentinel will keep my 5700hp paladin alive, my 7400hp warrior can hope that they take the cooldown away from benediction, cause that's the amount of healing he would require to stay up

but early game content all the way through ilvl70 stuff (titan) warrior is just fine

edit: and what's all this about stun interrupts when people were talking about ADS

turn 1 ADS cannot be stunned, you can silence high voltage - that's it

turn 1 ADS uses attacks in a set rotation, so a monk can absolutely catch every single interrupt (aside from the first)

turn 2 ADS does not use a set rotation, so an interrupt rotation is preferred (1 bard 1 paladin, 2 bards, 2 paladins) again, stunning is not possible