Removing elemental nukes from WHM

[Jinrya-Geki]

Balancing the spells doesn't matter at all.

It's either give black mage all spells and give white mage only holy-type spells, or enemies must lose all resistance to elemental damage. Because there will never be a happy medium with the spells split up like this.

If the split continues and the spells stay exactly the same, Black mage will hit a wall against any mobs resistant to lightning. And when white mage sees the wall coming it can laugh and walk around it for the simple fact that "Ok if I can't hurt it, then I'll just heal".

All the while the black mage will have to slam it's face into the wall of resistance.

[Kallera]

Balancing the spells doesn't matter at all.

It's either give black mage all spells and give white mage only holy-type spells, or enemies must lose all resistance to elemental damage. Because there will never be a happy medium with the spells split up like this.

If the split continues and the spells stay exactly the same, Black mage will hit a wall against any mobs resistant to lightning. And when white mage sees the wall coming it can laugh and walk around it for the simple fact that "Ok if I can't hurt it, then I'll just heal".

All the while the black mage will have to slam it's face into the wall of resistance.

Or the black mage can, you know, not use his thunder spells or he can use chains that don't end with thunder. He's still going to have an advantage in magical attack with his gear and traits.

[Jinrya-Geki]

I wonder if you played Black Mage enough to know Fire and Ice spells really suck.

[Alaltus]

I wonder if you played Black Mage enough to know Fire and Ice spells really suck.

We all know they suck its been said about a zillion times but the issue is how those spells were designed not the elements themselves. Fix them and then what exactly is the issue?

[Shougun]

Or the black mage can, you know, not use his thunder spells or he can use chains that don't end with thunder. He's still going to have an advantage in magical attack with his gear and traits.

Besides blizzard and freeze the other elements are aoe, that and their damage isn't to match the thunder combo (flare DoT is nice though).

Or further that if WHM is fighting stone weak monsters it probably means its resistant to lightning (if irc Earth strong aganist -> Lightning which means stone weak monster would be a lightning element being strong aganist lightning elements).

So advantage.. no - BLM will be inferior in those situations. Like gnats which are lightning element.

[Kallera]

Besides blizzard and freeze the other elements are aoe, that and their damage isn't to match the thunder combo (flare DoT is nice though).

Or further that if WHM is fighting stone weak monsters it probably means its resistant to lightning (if irc Earth strong aganist -> Lightning which means stone weak monster would be a lightning element being strong aganist lightning elements).

So advantage.. no - BLM will be inferior in those situations. Like gnats which are lightning element.

Advantage as in delivering nukes and magic attacks that aren't the monster's weakness, as in job trqit upping magic attack and gear focusing on int, the stat for offensive magic. Its not like they are as helpless as what people in this thread want white mage and conjurer to be.

[Shougun]

Advantage as in delivering nukes and magic attacks that aren't the monster's weakness, as in job trqit upping magic attack and gear focusing on int, the stat for offensive magic. Its not like they are as helpless as what people in this thread want white mage and conjurer to be.

Helpless no, but BLM would not have the advantage in that situation. Even a fully battle decked BLM vs "healing" decked WHM in that scenario WHM wins (if you attack by weakness you get like 2 to 3 times the damage - and the inverse of that if you are attacking by resistance). But like I said many posts ago, bosses dont seem to care about elements and there are very few stone weak monsters - so it never really became an issue in 1.0.

Of course if you want to make the magic wheel important then it would be. Some people have offered suggestions like designing content within the boss fight that goes around attacking the boss, like BLMs needed to nuke massive side swarms or charge machinery that damages the boss (and so they can ignore that the boss has resistance to their spells and still outdamage the WHM, without fking with the WHM).