Quote Originally Posted by Radacci View Post
Ice could be used to reflect sunlight, in case it would for some reason become to warm; So you would save the forest from dying from heat, or burning.
As far as I'm aware, people don't hurl snow onto bushfires. It's water.

You're assuming the block of ice around you would last forever...it wouldn't; it would melt and nourish the forest.
That block of ice becomes water...it's the water that's nourishing, not the ice. Of course I'm going to separate it as Ice and Water are two very different elements in this universe.

And ice destroys everything every winter anyways, then it's reborn.
You clearly haven't seen frostbite on living things, have you? There's no turning back after being frostbited.

I was just pointing out that any element can be both destructive and protective. So it wouldn't make sense for water to be CNJ specific, and ice BLM specific.
For all purposes CNJ could use all elements also, but in protective manner; and BLM could use all elements in a destructive manner.
But in all cases, it is always as the form of WATER that good is done. Even if so, what can Ice do that Water can't do, if not better? I'm separating the two very distinctly here.

Hmm and i suppose Leviathans main purpose is healing *Sarcasm off*
And I suppose that everything can survive without water either. *Sarcasm off* You're bringing one extreme force which controls an element how he wills to a matter that is being used by mere races. Of course the control will be totally off the scale in difference.

Cure isn't water elemental, and neither is protect. And i don't see how water would be better at protection than ice anyways? water won't stop an arrow, a wall of ice would
Look above, what can survive without water? And I believe a rep stated before that CNJs could use Wind, Earth and Water based spells, after Water got taken out after reform. And it was also 'obvious' which one was related to water.

Also, I've said this before - I'm not referring to the protection of the user, but of the surroundings.

Not to mention to much water kill plants.
Why do you need to go into extremes? Too much earth buries things alive. Too much wind takes someone's breath away. Doesn't mean that these elements are naturally aren't more beneficial than the other three. Earth for nourishment and rooting. Wind for breathing and aeration. Water for moisture and sustainment. Can fire, lightning and ice do any good at that basic level?

Ofc Ice is destructive, as is all other elements, but all elements can also be beneficial; so you can argue with me as much as you want about it, but it wont change the facts
The fact that Ice can't do any plausible beneficial aspects without resorting to Water is indicative enough. It can't sustain life - it slows and decays it. Instead of thinking of Ice as frozen water, think of it more as the primal force of CHILLINESS.

Stone became weaker than in 1.0 it has potency of 80. lancer skills have 100-200. So lancer is 2-3 times stronger than CNJ. in 1.0 is was kinda the other way around.
I am referring to CNJ - why are you bringing LNC in? Compare Stone and Aero in the vid. Compare Stone and Water in the vid. Which one is the stronger spell?

Sorry to nitpick, but I am being very adamant about this. Ice and Water are two very different elements - if Ice has to rely on some form of water to bring benefits, then it is ultimately Water which is providing that certain benefit. By itself, what can it do to help the elements, the forests?