Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Arcell]

I foresee this thread being closed soon for the exact reasons I posted a while back. Nothing new is being brought to the discussion and it is degrading into personal attacks.

Oh, so you mean like 90% of the topics on these forums? Guess we should close all of those too, to be fair.

[Kallivis]

I stick by what I've said all along.

1) FFXIV should not have marriages in the game at all. They are stupid and silly and add needless drama to the game, I know of several FFXI linkshells that fell broke up over the stupid marriage drama in that game.

2) If they DO end up adding marriages to FFXIV, call them something other than "Marriage". It's in SE's best interest to stay away from toxic political issues.


I think most people would agree with me on that second point.

What you've been saying all along has nothing to do with that. You may have stated these points in an earlier post, but the majority of your posts have been pointless arguments against same sex marriage. There are many people who may or may not support same sex marriage who managed to stick with that second point you made and I agree with that point. They should just rename the system.

Your first point is baseless because what you find stupid and silly is not what others may find stupid and silly. There is drama over loot and many other things, this is a social game. Marriage is just another system, and from a business perspective it's a system that many games in the competition offer that people enjoy. Not only that, the competition allows for same sex marriage.

So again I agree that they should change the name but I do not agree that it is a silly system. Considering Eorzea's take on things are much different from real life and there is plenty of obvious homosexuality in the game, it might as well allow the same sex to take part.

[Zantetsuken]

Your first point is baseless because what you find stupid and silly is not what others may find stupid and silly. There is drama over loot and many other things, this is a social game. Marriage is just another system, and from a business perspective it's a system that many games in the competition offer that people enjoy. Not only that, the competition allows for same sex marriage

"Marriage" adds needless drama, while at the same time being meaningless in the larger context of the game.

Competition? For what, exactly? You don't get any gear or in game benefit for convincing people to be your online "spouse" (if you did, well.. that would cause a whole new slew of problems)

Just pointless drama.


But its gonna be there, so I guess I'm just lamenting it,

[Arcell]

I think we could close this thread though, under the condition that we get a rep response indicating they have passed on the following info:

1. That the player demand for the removal of the gender restriction is there (just check the front page poll if you don't want to read through 740+ replies).

2. That a large number of players are okay with the idea of renaming marriage to something else, especially if it helps them remove the gender restrictions.

Maybe it's just me but I think I could live with a response like that. At least then Yoshida would know of our feelings about the new announcement and that we're open to some alternative ideas regarding it if need be. What he was told before was just about marriage in general, before it was truly a confirmed feature.

[Kallivis]

"Marriage" adds needless drama, while at the same time being meaningless in the larger context of the game.

Competition? For what, exactly? You don't get any gear or in game benefit for convincing people to be your online "spouse" (if you did, well.. that would cause a whole new slew of problems)

Just pointless drama.

Every single thing in the game will add drama. Having loot will have drama. Having achievements will have drama. PVP will have drama. Why don't we just get rid of all that? Heck let's get rid of chatting altogether and stop the drama.

Even if marriage isn't implemented people are still gonna have relationship drama in the game. What a silly thing to say.

As for the competition part you clearly didn't read what I said so read it again. I'm talking from a business perspective. Square Enix's competition (other MMOs) allow marriage (many same-sex marriage). It is not a wise business decision to sell yourself short and not allow something like that, and it doesn't look good in the eyes of the public. Those games are also world-wide and the games received more support for allowing same-sex marriage than the opposite. Again, they can make the situation win-win by just changing the name and allowing same-sex couples to participate.

[Zantetsuken]

Every single thing in the game will add drama. Having loot will have drama. Having achievements will have drama. PVP will have drama. Why don't we just get rid of all that? Heck let's get rid of chatting altogether and stop the drama.

Even if marriage isn't implemented people are still gonna have relationship drama in the game. What a silly thing to say.

I said pointless drama.

Loot, PVP, Achievements are all real activities, they have rewards, and impact gameplay - they offset the drama by the benefit they bring to the game. (maybe not Achievements, but they don't cause much drama either lol)

"Marriage" in an mmo is an exclusive relationship. Sure, you'll have drama without them, but I assure you that it gets ramped up exponentially once you have some sort of exclusive and irreversible stamp on it. (or are we gonna get divorces too?)

Still...

Don't people play this game for FF-themed fun and adventure like I do?

Sometimes, it seems I'm just a lone, starry-eyed Final Fantasy buff in a sea of e-peens, "second-lifers", and WoW graduates. All of who campaign relentlessly to make this game into something more (and simultaneously less) than a Final Fantasy MMO.

[Aenarion]

*nukes this thread from orbit*

[Shougun]

Don't people play this game for FF-themed fun and adventure like I do?

Sometimes, it seems I'm just a lone, starry-eyed Final Fantasy buff in a sea of e-peens, "second-lifers", and WoW graduates. All of who campaign relentlessly to make this game into something more (and simultaneously less) than a Final Fantasy MMO.

MINE IS WAYY BIGGER THEn...

I havent decided if Yoshi is going to avoid the core FF elements or not - I mean the trailer was pretty awesome and Loui' dying was (dont judge me) so great. I think it doesnt help him that he started so far behind in the race of MMO's (because FFXIV should have been delayed lol), so all he has been doing recently is content to get the machine that never ran to run.

But yes, I worry that at the end of all things it wont be a FF MMO but a general MMO in FF skin (not that general mmos are bad, its just not what I'm looking for).


(FF usually mixes in the whimsical activities to real achievements (dodging 200 lightning bolts = awesome weapon) but marriage wouldn't be pointless (adds socializing content) - not that it is a "hot" feature either.

Not only for those against same sex marriages but in a general sense I think a soul or blood bonding would allow for more content to be spun around it (making a quest where you go fight dragons with your wife sounds funnier then going off to fight with your soul kin / blood kin). But w.e, SE asked our opinions - they should expect to see maybe double the current post count we have now lol.

[Kallivis]

Sometimes, it seems I'm just a lone, starry-eyed Final Fantasy buff in a sea of e-peens, "second-lifers", and WoW graduates. All of who campaign relentlessly to make this game into something more (and simultaneously less) than a Final Fantasy MMO.

For a Final Fantasy buff you don't seem to have a firm grasp on what Final Fantasy is about.

Not that I am directly trying to defend a marriage concept and equating that to Final Fantasy.

Think about every single thing that's ever happened in a Final Fantasy game from the very first one to the most recent. The characters, the stories, the music, the emotions, the world, the art, everything. If you are a buff you are probably well-read into the background of Final Fantasy development and the developers ideas put in place.

What else makes Final Fantasy a Final Fantasy?

The people.

The whole point of it is to build everlasting friendships and bonds with people as you go about saving the world. Romance is all a part of that.

This is a social game, which brings out the best of Final Fantasy (and as well the worst in MMOs). The drama will always be there and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the drama.

This isn't just some pointless idea someone on the development team came up with. This is a team of Final Fantasy (and MMO) veterans and it's almost like by saying that you think you know more about Final Fantasy than they do.

Think about the world of Eorzea and the NPCs and everything else. The whole point of the system is to add more depth to the social structure as well as the lore and world itself.

[Shougun]

While I said blood kin / soul kin would probably allow for better content and easier acceptance by the community I'd also like to remind people that SE has quite the heart for romance :P.

http://youtu.be/xlwSPMwAqbM (FFX because graphics but pretty much all FF have some sort of romance ("sexual" or just kin romance))