Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Fylion]

Let's call it SPIRITBONDING!!!

....owait.

This is my favorite. Would give a whole new dimension to what is currently materia crafting.

"Honey, want to do some spiritbonding tonight?"

"Sure, just let me get some subligar crafted and we'll be all set."

[Keisuna]

Just to address all of those who are saying "stop talking about this, it's a game, no one cares if you're allowed to marry!"...

While I agree that allowing or disallowing gay marriage will not directly in and of itself affect anything in "real life", I cannot say it will have no affect on the people who play the game— and not just gay people being offended because they can't seem to escape discrimination, even in an escapist fantasy.

Whether we like it or not, our entertainment can often influence our decisions and opinions of things we see in real life. As a gay rights activist, the problem has rarely been in making a logical case for gay marriage. We win pretty much every debate we get into, any outside observer could clearly see that.

No, the biggest problem is fighting the stigma that gays and gay marriage is weird and unfamiliar. Most people aren't against gay marriage because of any strong opinions, but because for decades gays have been portrayed as pedophiles, as diseased sexual vagrants, or as people who are just confused about who they are and need help from a higher power.

That stigmatization has a lasting effect on people, and very often the only way to combat it is letting them get used to gay people, and see for themselves that the stigma is wrong. Often it only takes having gay marriage legalized in your area for people to realize that gay marriage doesn't bring about a dystopian world where people run around in the streets buck naked and rape anyone who passes by.

If SE bans gay marriage in game, it could reinforce the idea that gay marriage is strange and foreign, not just to the people who play the game, but to anyone else who sees the developers of yet another MMO that won't allow gay marriage in their game.

[Kerwin]

XI didn't have it. XIV wont either.

Woo hoo! /thread

[Reika]

XI didn't have it. XIV wont either.

Woo hoo! /thread

more like /madefoolofselflikesomeothers

XI didn't have Materia either.

[Kerwin]

more like /madefoolofselflikesomeothers

XI didn't have Materia either.

Please stay mad.

[Keisuna]

Please stay mad.

See, normally when people have their arguments shot down, they either own up and amend their argument or respond with a rebuttal. Accusing people of being mad when they're clearly not just makes it look like you're deflecting.

[Kerwin]

See, normally when people have their arguments shot down, they either own up and amend their argument or respond with a rebuttal. Accusing people of being mad when they're clearly not just makes it look like you're deflecting.

Please stay mad little one. Because there was no argument to begin with, so your point is invalid.

Edit: Oh, also there is an edit button. Look into it, no need to double post.

[Terri]

I heard something on the radio today, and thought I'd share it. I don't know if this was posted but like hell I'm reading 86 pages. I read up to 30 and stopped cause of people just whining for Yoshi-P to add it and nobody realizing that even now STILL its a TOUCHY issue and a PR nightmare for such a large company.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_ri...y_or_territory

Here. Read the page, look at the charts. This is enough to make them not want to implement it and have to deal with a lot of bull from other countries. It's not even recognized in Japan, just not illegal ( heck much of the USA still doesn't even recognize it). They just wanna add something for fun and people cry cause they think they're being left out, when they don't realize all the crap SE could possibly get to make a small % of the player base happy, since we can only see the number of likes supporting it in this thread. Plus, they aren't exactly "restricting" it between real LGBT couples since you are free to choose a gender (and now re-choose) that isn't your own anyway. So if it matters that much just change. Don't make them ruin something fun for something you know is still a very delicate subject.

And for the record, I have nothing against LGBT couples, and have many friends who are homosexual or transgender. I just am tired of seeing people pull the discrimination card for something like marriage in a video game.

[Keisuna]

I heard something on the radio today, and thought I'd share it. I don't know if this was posted but like hell I'm reading 86 pages. I read up to 30 and stopped cause of people just whining for Yoshi-P to add it and nobody realizing that even now STILL its a TOUCHY issue and a PR nightmare for such a large company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_ri...y_or_territory

Here. Read the page, look at the charts. This is enough to make them not want to implement it and have to deal with a lot of bull from other countries. It's not even recognized in Japan, just not illegal ( heck much of the USA still doesn't even recognize it). They just wanna add something for fun and people cry cause they think they're being left out, when they don't realize all the crap SE could possibly get to make a small % of the player base happy, since we can only see the number of likes supporting it in this thread. Plus, they aren't exactly "restricting" it between real LGBT couples since you are free to choose a gender (and now re-choose) that isn't your own anyway. So if it matters that much just change. Don't make them ruin something fun for something you know is still a very delicate subject.

What, so when people who want them to allow same gender couples speak up, they're whining and complaining about something they want; but when people who don't want them to allow gays to marry speak up, they're not doing anything wrong?

This could be a PR nightmare whether they allow characters of the same gender to marry or not, and just telling people to change their character's gender if they don't like it isn't a solution. You can't change the gender of your character at will, and it's unreasonable to expect people to roll brand new characters any time they can't marry someone.

And for the record, I have nothing against LGBT couples, and have many friends who are homosexual or transgender. I just am tired of seeing people pull the discrimination card for something like marriage in a video game.

Do us all a favor and do not ever try to justify your arguments by hiding behind your LGBT friends. Being friends with someone does not automatically mean you have their best interests at heart, or that you completely understand the issues pertaining to their lives, and waving your relationship with them around like it's a free pass to say whatever you like just makes you seem incredibly insensitive.

Okay? Okay.

[Arcell]

What, so when people who want them to allow same gender couples speak up, they're whining and complaining about something they want; but when people who don't want them to allow gays to marry speak up, they're not doing anything wrong?

This could be a PR nightmare whether they allow characters of the same gender to marry or not, and just telling people to change their character's gender if they don't like it isn't a solution. You can't change the gender of your character at will, and it's unreasonable to expect people to roll brand new characters any time they can't marry someone.

Not to mention many here have suggested ways in which they could avoid the "PR nightmare".

1. Change the name of marriage to something else (for everyone).

2. Allow it to be more player driven by simply giving us the means to do it ourselves.

3. Phrase the removal of the restriction completely differently so that you don't have to actually take a stance. Saying that you're simply allowing all players to marry instead of allowing same sex marriage is neutral enough of a statement.

Hell if you want to be really cowardly about it, just "forget" to implement the restriction in the system and then never go back to add it. I really don't care how they do it at this point lol.