Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Synfrag]

Minors (teenagers) play this game and although online romances occur all the time, I don't like the game actually encouraging these relationships..whether they are straight, gay, lesbian or even worse...Adult & Minor.

This can and many times does lead to not just hurt feelings but can lead to Bullying and even Stalking (both cyber and real life).
I just don't want anything in this game that encourages that sort of behavior so please just leave Marriage out of it.

Lets not let people drive cars too cause then they would drink and drive?

"Teenagers"? Teens are already having sex, smoking pot, getting drunk, dropping acid etc. etc. just like many of us did when we were teens. The only thing you can do to prevent them from making mistakes in the above categories is education and exposure. Teach by example not by pacifism because come 18 they will fail at life without the daddy/mommy tank keeping hate off em.

[Keisuna]

Teach by example not by pacifism because come 18 they will fail at life without the daddy/mommy tank keeping hate off em.

While I don't entirely agree, I will definitely like this post just for this sentence alone. xD

[Gugnir]

Look how happy we are, why would you want to take that away from us ; __ ;

[Kalaka]

Well I saw nothing on the JP forums about same gender marriage so I made a post. Hoping it gets some kind of response. So at least we have more than just the english speaking forums to go by.

[Kalaka]

It is a social game, social activism is part of it. Anytime you say something to try to curb someone behaviour one way or another is social activism for your viewpoint.

[Neasa]

I don't care, and neither should anyone else.
Equal misery for all!

[Wynn]

Oh no, it's huginn again, someone please handle this!

Apparently a great many of us do not understand sarcasm or satire or any other form of writing other than literal.
When i say i dont care if you marry a tree, i mean i dont care what gender the tree is. When i say that we have to make sure the players are not homosexual but characters are ok, i figured that this was such high hyperbole that no one would possibly take it seriously.

and when i make a comment and then have to use the phrase "in all seriousness," that means that the previous comment was most likely not the heartfelt truth.

What i actually do mean is that I believe that pushing your own personal agenda on something that does not affect the game in a meaningful manner is ridiculous. Is it really very important for someone's civil rights that they be allowed to marry in a virtual world? Do you have to try to stir up trouble with cultures that you do not understand?

I actually do not care what you do with yourselves, so long as you exercise personal responsibility and take responsibility for the consequences of your actions. Additionally, that last sentence was a generalization, i am not insinuating that there are some kind of dire consequence to homosexuality. I am sick and tired of the exceptionally exclusive GBLT club, no heterosexuals, no hermaphrodites and no asexuals or quirky alones. Take your agenda and go have fun, but stop badgering me.

I ask you this one question: What does my marriage between myself, a man, and my wife, a woman, do to damage your life? Stop telling me that i am to go to hell because i am the minority (the group who doesnt care what your marital status and eligibility is based on gender). I also have some news for you, even california voted to forbid gay marriage, you are indeed in the minority, they call it "the vocal minority."

If you truly don't care as you say, then you are not among the people I was referring to when I said they can go to hell. So no reason take offense or try to build an argument around my comment.

Also, the fact you would even state the LGBT community is somehow exclusionary betrays the reality that you've never had any kind of real contact on interaction with us. For starters, go look up PFLAG.

Anyone is more than welcome as long as they aren't trying to deny us rights, lambaste us with hateful and/or faith-based rhetoric, or harm us in any way. If that is what you want to do then, yes, you aren't invited to the party. Nobody likes a party-pooper.

[Huginn]

If you truly don't care as you say, then you are not among the people I was referring to when I said they can go to hell. So no reason take offense or try to build an argument around my comment.

Oh, i get it now, thank you got clearing that up for me. I guess that when they come for the gypsy, i shouldn't stop them, because i am not a gypsy. When they come for the Jews, i should not stop them, because i am not a Jew. When they come for the homosexuals, i should not stop them, because i am not a homosexual... I do not care what group you are currently wishing to be destroyed or sent to hell, i will stand up. Just because your cause is politically correct will not stop me from pointing out your hatred.
Shame be upon you.

Also, the fact you would even state the GBLT community is somehow exclusionary betrays the reality that you've never had any kind of real contact on interaction with us. For starters, go look up PFLAG.

Because every member of GLAAD is a saint who would never go into a seething fit of frothy rage, screaming about breeders and claiming that the "asexuals" are really just gays who refuse to come out of the closet because they are scared. I must apologize for having forgotten that all non heterosexuals are happy shining people who are always found in groups that display precisely the standard cross section of all homosexual and tolerant people. (don't even get me started on tolerance). Maybe you should change your name to show that you will include any sexual preference so long as they do not stand in your way.

Anyone is more than welcome as long as they aren't trying to deny us rights, lambaste us with hateful and/or faith-based rhetoric, or harm us in any way. If that is what you want to do then, yes, you aren't invited to the party. Nobody likes a party-pooper.

Funny how you talk about lambasting with hateful and/or faith based rhetoric. I know i am not welcome to the party because i have tried to help educate homosexuals about their options concerning legal rights and i have been told that i am trying to deny them their rights. It seems that anything someone wants at any time is a right these days.


My apologies, it seems that some of the homosexuals whom i have met were either not real homosexuals, or were not proper homosexuals or maybe just had not paid their dues to their local unions.
Being politically correct does not excuse them. Like most mammals, humans behave differently when in a herd. when one person at a large gathering is suddenly outed as not like minded on a particular subject, the herd will turn on them and believe that they must be also not like minded on all subjects which bond the group together. Suddenly you will find yourself being accused of all kinds of crimes and the previously friendly gay bar will begin whispering about you.

I used to have gay friends in real life. I no longer have any male gay friends in real life. The male gay friends that i had became immersed in their GBLT societies. They lost their specific religion and later their theism all together in favor of that which was accepted in the GBLT community. They lost their diction in favor of that which was acceted in the GBLT community. They lost their mannerisms and speech pattern and political philosophy. They lost all of that, and i lost my friend, then i lost another. Now i have none.

Yes, I am a Christian.
Yes, I consider myself a conservative.
These are not reasons to do to me exactly what you accuse the general public of doing to you or others like you.

The GBLT community in my area does not know that i am a libertarian. not the pot smoking and underage drinking kind, but the liberty and responsibility kind. All the GBLT community knows is that i am a conservative Christian and therefor an enemy.
I would point out the fect that you are being hateful and are filled with a rage, trying to exact revenge on those whom have done you no real harm, but that would be politically incorrect.

In closing to you, i would just say: Go ahead and keep believing that you are a victim, it makes you feel good. Go ahead and keep believing that your hatred is any different than the hatred you accuse your opponents of. Go ahead and believe that anyone who differs with your opinion on any subject must then also be a hate filled Evangelical, conservative Christian "hate monger" who is bent on the utter destruction of homosexuality or at least a return to the treatment of homosexuals from the 1800's to the late 1900's. Go ahead and keep believing that your group of friends and acquaintances are a good representation of the world population, or even the population of your location. Go ahead and believe that the number of likes in this one thread represents the entire playerbase and the world, actually means something, and is not just a representation of who wants to increase someone else's like count and who does not.

[Wynn]

lololol

So basically what you're saying is that you do care. You just don't want to admit it.

I also don't believe you have ever truly known a gay person in your life or much about gay people in general. There are deeply spiritual and faithful people in the LGBT community. Christians. Catholics. Jews. Muslims. Every single world religion that exists. There are also conservative people in the LGBT community. Ever heard of Log Cabin Republicans? We are cut from many creeds. You'd know that if you had any kind of real world experience with gay people. Stop trying to generalize as if you are some gay person authority. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Guess what, what it boils down to is I don't give one crap about your religion, political affiliation, or your beliefs. You can take your supposed "education" and shove it right up your you know what. You have absolutely no right to force your opinions down my or anyone else's throat. You believe something about homosexuality, that's great. You live by it. But you don't have the right to make others do the same. By the way, that is the very principle libertarians live by so if you really are one as you say, you should learn what they actually believe:

"We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."

"Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships." - The Libertarian Platform.

Source - http://www.lp.org/platform

Also, please stop trying to make it seem like somehow you are a victim and the LGBT community is a giant victimizer just playing victim. Half the things you are arguing right now, I never even said to you. You talk like a crazy person who is just regergitating rheteric from some internet pamphlet they read 100 times so they could justify their hatred in an argument.

[Huginn]

So basically what you're saying is that you do care. You just don't want to admit it.

I also don't believe you have ever truly known a gay person in your life or much about gay people in general. There are deeply spiritual and faithful people in the LGBT community. Christians. Catholics. Jews. Muslims. Every single world religion that exists. There are also conservative people in the LGBT community. Ever heard of Log Cabin Republicans? We are cut from many creeds. You'd know that if you had any kind of real world experience with gay people. Stop trying to generalize as if you are some gay person authority. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Guess what, what it boils down to is I don't give one crap about your religion, political affiliation, or your beliefs. You can take your supposed "education" and shove it right up your you know what. You have absolutely no right to force your opinions down my or anyone else's throat. You believe something about homosexuality, that's great. You live by it. But you don't have the right to make others do the same. By the way, that is the very principle libertarians live by so if you really are one as you say, you should learn what they actually believe:

"We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."

"Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships." - The Libertarian Platform.

Source - http://www.lp.org/platform

Also, please stop trying to make it seem like somehow you are a victim and the LGBT community is a giant victimizer just playing victim. Half the things you are arguing right now, I never even said to you. You talk like a crazy person who is just regergitating rheteric from some internet pamphlet they read 100 times so they could justify their hatred in an argument.

Please try to refrain from making personal attacks. I do not believe you have understood what i was saying at all. I do not care what you do so long as it does not affect anyone else's rights.

You may not believe that i have ever met a homosexual, and that is fine for you to fall back on. yes, i do know of the log cabin republicans, as well as many other organizations. My godfather created the first AIDS ministry for men in our diocese (i understand that this has no bearing on myself, i did not do it) because he (as did I) saw them as men and God's children, not just as some abomination.

I have been met with fear and anger over daring to accompany a friend to a gay bar, not by people outside, but by some of the people inside. I was greeted by people whom i knew publicly with "huginn, i never knew!", and when i responded with "I'm not", i was presented with a person who was angry and bitter, possibly due to the fear that because i was not a homosexual, that i was there solely to gather information about gays to out them publicly. not everyone had this problem, just as not every GLAAD member i have met claimed that asexuals were just closet homosexuals who refused to come out.

You seem to be claiming that i am trying to shove some kind of anti same sex marriage dogma down everyone's throats, but what i am trying to convey is that i feel that many are trying to shove their opinions down everyone else's throats. I attempt to point out the hatred and absurdity that is being levied against anyone who either does not care or does not want to see same sex marriage implemented at this time (along with any kind of marriage implementation at this time).

I personally do not care if marriage of any kind is introduced to X|V. I do care about people telling others to go to hell and trying to demean them with taunts such as "we are the majority now".

The only victimization i possibly feel is that i have lost a good friend to his choice to be popular with his new group identity, rather than keep his values. This is because of the area where we live and the vocal groups that inhabit it.

Also, i do not particularly remember posting "lololol" in this thread, but i can not rule it out.

Finally, i would like to remind everyone to please refrain from personal attacks, it does nothing but make you look like a fool and gets me banned for a week when responding to them... or denegrating the band "nicleback"