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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    The PLD dework was diabolical. They removed everything that made the job unique and interesting and turned it into a boring version of GNB.
    I'm sure the entire PLD being "excluded" from parties because while it was unique, it just offered nothing special or enough damage to warrant their admission.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Literally every class can do every content, you may as well have said “it has good design because you can select it in the menu”

    Regardless WHM is the core of one of the few comps that simply ISNT viable and that’s the double regen healer comp. WHM struggles to actually hold its own in high tier content often overly relying on the shield healer to cover its deficits, AST certainly isn’t the problem in the double regen comp
    That's literally it! The entire philosophy behind SE design, to be able to do every content regardless of the class.

    You didn't elaborate (unless I missed) how it guts other classes, so I do insist on actually shedding light on what you originally meant. And to add to the elaborate please, do include which high content WHM cannot hold it's own?

    While double shield healers has some merits in some places, it's far suboptimal to actually run that opposed to pure + shield.

    As for AST, not only do they need a shield to cover their deficit, but they cannot also appropriately respond if things go south. AST will NEVER be able to burst heal with 0 preparation a team the same way WHM can. I know AST is nice but you shit on whm for the wrong reasons..lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    I'm sure the entire PLD being "excluded" from parties because while it was unique, it just offered nothing special or enough damage to warrant their admission.
    Didn't happen outside of week 1 P8S.

    They could have made smaller changes to adjust the damage profile without gutting the entire job. Or perhaps had the foresight to realise that making the whole game revolve around 2 minute burst windows might not be the best idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    Didn't happen outside of week 1 P8S.

    They could have made smaller changes to adjust the damage profile without gutting the entire job. Or perhaps had the foresight to realise that making the whole game revolve around 2 minute burst windows might not be the best idea.
    I heard about that being the case for a few expansions but then again..

    I mean, I dunno, I did play "old" PLD and after rework, and I feel it moved in the right direction. Again, you dislike the changes, the same as I dislike the new spells " sepulture" and "suplication" hahaha. Doing 3 Atonements just felt right. Now, those 2 new spells make the sequence feel janky. I hate every minute of it..lol.

    Oh well, no point in crying over spilled milk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    I heard about that being the case for a few expansions but then again..

    I mean, I dunno, I did play "old" PLD and after rework, and I feel it moved in the right direction. Again, you dislike the changes, the same as I dislike the new spells " sepulture" and "suplication" hahaha. Doing 3 Atonements just felt right. Now, those 2 new spells make the sequence feel janky. I hate every minute of it..lol.

    Oh well, no point in crying over spilled milk.
    Definitely not. It was the 2nd highest DPS tank in Shb and the only things in Ew with a DPS check tight enough that it would have mattered were week 1 P8S and TOP.

    PLD was my main since day 1 and I dropped it completely after the 6.3 changes and didn't touch it again until they at least added a small amount of room for optimisation with the new atonement combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    Definitely not. It was the 2nd highest DPS tank in Shb and the only things in Ew with a DPS check tight enough that it would have mattered were week 1 P8S and TOP.

    PLD was my main since day 1 and I dropped it completely after the 6.3 changes and didn't touch it again until they at least added a small amount of room for optimisation with the new atonement combo.
    fair

    Also, what optimisation? Those 2 spells are reskinned versions of atonement, nothing else. You still execute them in the same order.
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