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  1. #10961
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qyoon View Post
    The only way to get a company to listen to it's clients is to stop giving said company money.
    And that only works for small companies. Big companies - like Square-Enix - can just turn off all servers if players decides to play something else. And it wouldn't affect its core business as much as it would in small companies.

    So S-E have the luxury of ignoring its costumers and get away with it.

    All complaints is just hope and cope.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qyoon View Post
    Healers are complaining since years nothing changed while SQE worked on other jobs changes.
    This proves, for the dev team, it's fine as it is and can wait 2 more years until 8.0.
    While this could go even worse, no promises have been made about making this role interesting.

    To be honest the game might actually be better without healers at all, relying only on mecanics.
    And i am saying that while Sage if the only job i enjoy in FF XIV.
    Agreed.

    And if dev team thinks healers is fine as it is, don't expect any big change to healers coming at 8.0. It will be incremental at best or change nothing at worst.
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  2. #10962
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    Change will come the day limited races can wear hats without using a program that is not allowed.

    After the promise of new summoner pets and hats for Viera, I just gave up.
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  3. #10963
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    Quote Originally Posted by miraidensetsu View Post

    So S-E have the luxury of ignoring its costumers and get away with it.

    All complaints is just hope and cope.
    No, it doesn't.

    FF14 is the sole reason SE is still around. Every single game they've put up in a really long time, including mobile games, has been either a net loss or hardly breaking the even point for them.

    They are starting to pick up a bit because they broke the glass and took out FF7 again. FF7 Ever Crisis is No. 41 in gacha revenue for March 2025.
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  4. #10964
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    Quote Originally Posted by miraidensetsu View Post
    And that only works for small companies. Big companies - like Square-Enix - can just turn off all servers if players decides to play something else. And it wouldn't affect its core business as much as it would in small companies.

    So S-E have the luxury of ignoring its costumers and get away with it.
    They do not, FFXIV is actually a fair share of SQE revenue.
    They are actually not in such a great shape because a lot of their project are not selling so great or at least not as much as they wanted.
    And concidering the poor care they have for their customers outside of japan, this ain't really surprising and deserved.
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  5. #10965
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Honestly that’s only because SCH’s AOE is really badly designed for what the adds phase asks of you as the shield healer

    Otherwise it’s still the same song and dance, SGE’s DPS is better in uncoordinated, SCH’s in coordinated, SCH’s healing kit still puts the other three healers to absolute shame with its raw level of utility
    The removal of the multiple DOTs, piling all the damage into a single DOT, and the consequent removal of Bane (due to it being not-as-useful, since there's only one DOT) was evidently a mistake. Imagine how much better SCH would keep up, if it had Bane and could spread its DOTs across the big add packs (eg the boss, the 4 Mus and the first Feather Ray, all during the raidbuff window that occurs there). Imagine how much better WHM would keep up, if it still had Aero 3
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  6. #10966
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    Quote Originally Posted by miraidensetsu View Post
    And that only works for small companies. Big companies - like Square-Enix - can just turn off all servers if players decides to play something else. And it wouldn't affect its core business as much as it would in small companies.

    So S-E have the luxury of ignoring its costumers and get away with it.
    They really don't have that luxury. SE generally take huge losses on all of their projects other than FFXIV. FFXIV is carrying the company and instead of investing the revenue back into FFXIV, they keep pumping it into doomed slop like Forspoken.
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  7. #10967
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    They really don't have that luxury. SE generally take huge losses on all of their projects other than FFXIV. FFXIV is carrying the company and instead of investing the revenue back into FFXIV, they keep pumping it into doomed slop like Forspoken.
    Not all.

    There were other successes here and there, although FFXIV is still the main breadwinner for company. There are a Dragon Quest title that sold as much as Dawntrail, the 2nd FF7 remake installment that's now #72 at Steam's best seller list (FFXIV is #84), etc.

    They won't escape unscatched, but S-E won't go bankrupt as soon as FFXIV's servers is turned off. Ok, turning FFXIV off will be a tank buster in S-E's revenue, but for a company with many lucrative IPs, like Square-Enix, they'll tank that heavy blow.

    So, yes, they have the luxury of ignore its customers and get away with it.
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    Last edited by miraidensetsu; 05-11-2025 at 11:08 AM.

  8. #10968
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    Square does well in the AA and A jRPG market but they have struggled in the AAA market for a while because FF games come out too slowly and don’t draw as much as they used to

    Going for something like forespoken wasn’t really a bad business decision it just wasn’t a particularly good game
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  9. #10969
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Square does well in the AA and A jRPG market but they have struggled in the AAA market for a while because FF games come out too slowly and don’t draw as much as they used to

    Going for something like forespoken wasn’t really a bad business decision it just wasn’t a particularly good game
    They did the classic Square thing where they had this grand vision for the Forspoken franchise and invested a HUGE amount of money into it, planning sequels and spin-offs, only for it to flop and no one to have any interest in the IP.

    It was very reminiscent of the The Spirits Within movie.

    SE would benefit a lot from just investing into their existing successful projects instead of dumping money into crazy pipedream projects. Watching SE make the same mistakes over and over again is like watching a deadbeat Dad gamble away his family's life savings.

    How many times are they going to narrowly escape bankruptcy?
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    Last edited by BigCheez; 05-11-2025 at 12:59 PM.

  10. #10970
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    They did the classic Square thing where they had this grand vision for the Forspoken franchise and invested a HUGE amount of money into it, planning sequels and spin-offs, only for it to flop and no one to have any interest in the IP.

    It was very reminiscent of the The Spirits Within movie.

    SE would benefit a lot from just investing into their existing successful projects instead of dumping money into crazy pipedream projects. Watching SE make the same mistakes over and over again is like watching a deadbeat Dad gamble away his family's life savings.

    How many times are they going to narrowly escape bankruptcy?
    Looking at the history of projects SE decided to invest I can say they had either a very bad marketing team who did an awful job at market research and upcoming trends/ predicting shifts in the customer preferences or a dude in high power who had stupid random, fixated ideas that were just detrimental for the company overall.

    The last part was confirmed, as the owner was hyper-fixated on NFT garbage for a while.
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