Prohibit class/job changes inside dungeons

[Geesus]

The OP's suggestion is a step towards fixing speed runs. It's currently an issue of what the players can do to get around the content and how the content itself is balanced to encourage balanced group comps over comps that favor melee or favor range.

This^

I find it funny with all the threads talking or QQing about lack of content that speed runs seem to be all that groups do. Someone mentioned earlier about BCNMs in XI that posted a speed time and that was or could be a goal but as also stated wasn't what got you X Uber loot it got you the same loot whether a hour or 15 mins. But if content is so lacking and Yoshi and the Devs put in dungeons for us to have "fun" with, why was everyone trying to blow through it? Now you're out of ... CONTENT!

Speed kills. Period. Kills the content kills the fun. I have YET to go through ANY of the newer dungeons with ANYONE including my LS that has actually tried to kill and complete the ENTIRE dungeon. As a matter of fact you have certain Dungeons such as DH that if you DON'T run through it, you're most likely going to die quite a bit due to the eye and his shenanigans.

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Why would Yoshi want to limit our capabilities.. and why a Dev response on a topic that has been debated to be hated..?? 3 likes on your response Rukkirii, doesn't really solidify that this would be a great suggestion.. means it sucks..

You say Rukkirii only had 3 likes? There are now 38. 38 > 7. lol

There were a lot of middle ground ideas brought up in this thread so hopefully the best ones will be chosen or examined for a much more fuller and richer gaming and raiding experience.

[SynysterBlitz]

This^

I find it funny with all the threads talking or QQing about lack of content that speed runs seem to be all that groups do. Someone mentioned earlier about BCNMs in XI that posted a speed time and that was or could be a goal but as also stated wasn't what got you X Uber loot it got you the same loot whether a hour or 15 mins. But if content is so lacking and Yoshi and the Devs put in dungeons for us to have "fun" with, why was everyone trying to blow through it? Now you're out of ... CONTENT!

Speed kills. Period. Kills the content kills the fun. I have YET to go through ANY of the newer dungeons with ANYONE including my LS that has actually tried to kill and complete the ENTIRE dungeon. As a matter of fact you have certain Dungeons such as DH that if you DON'T run through it, you're most likely going to die quite a bit due to the eye and his shenanigans.

As for

You say Rukkirii only had 3 likes? There are now 38. 38 > 7. lol

There were a lot of middle ground ideas brought up in this thread so hopefully the best ones will be chosen or examined for a much more fuller and richer gaming and raiding experience.

Had 3 likes when I posted it ... did you want me edit it everytime someone likes it?? no thanks..
and 41 likes is in no way the thoughts of everyone, just Dev D**k riding..

Either way I really don't even care what they to do this game.. so many people will cry and complain on these forums just to get what they want.. Its saddening..

[Enfarious]

Had 3 likes when I posted it ... did you want me edit it everytime someone likes it?? no thanks..
and 41 likes is in no way the thoughts of everyone, just Dev D**k riding..

Either way I really don't even care what they to do this game.. so many people will cry and complain on these forums just to get what they want.. Its saddening..

Actually 41 to a dev post that's 30 posts deep in a thread with 20 posts after it isn't bad, imagine the number of ppl that simply don't read all of a thread, but just skip straight to the last page, all of them will have missed that post. Not to mention all the poeple that decided the rantings of a few ppl that can't tolerate change in the game they spent so long working to design ...

Crying about people crying is still crying, lead by example.

[SynysterBlitz]

Actually 41 to a dev post that's 30 posts deep in a thread with 20 posts after it isn't bad, imagine the number of ppl that simply don't read all of a thread, but just skip straight to the last page, all of them will have missed that post. Not to mention all the poeple that decided the rantings of a few ppl that can't tolerate change in the game they spent so long working to design ...

Crying about people crying is still crying, lead by example.

Whats funny you were against this.. now you seem to support it? should be in politics man..

If you want to misconscrue that as crying then by all means do so.. I don't care what happens to the game, I really don't I'll accept the changes either way.. I have never cried and complained for something to be changed, I have only defended aspects already in place..

So take my words out of context if you wish.. It don't matter..

[Enfarious]

You know, and I may have just not seen them all, but, if classes locked (not jobs you can still mnk > pug > mnk and what have you) ...

Now to argue a little on both sides cause I really enjoy that, job changing(not class) in dungeons seems resonable, it doesn't contribute horribly to class stacking but would allow PLD to tank, but run as GLA through the dungeon up to the boss so they aren't so gimpy.

For all those that feel they're being slighted by the idea of locked classes/jobs and class stacking being discouraged, seriously are you so inflexible that if you can't run w/ war whm blmx6 you die, and if so why do you care who has what leveled, why for that matter have you bothered leveling more than those 3 jobs, getting told that because you can't be BLM you can't do content is f'in stupid. Encouraging that kind of bs is also stupid. I'm inclined to think that Yoshi and the devs aren't stupid and won't be bullied by a couple of players that feel like the above 2.

Anyone that thinks the game was designed so that everyone would level everything really needs to look back on every other FF, including this one pre-PLing patch. Going 1~CAP in a week or less wasn't meant to happen, it was encouraged to allow ppl to experience content before it all goes away to bring in 2.0, it's going away again. Have a nice day.

Whats funny you were against this.. now you seem to support it? should be in politics man..

If you want to misconscrue that as crying then by all means do so.. I don't care what happens to the game, I really don't I'll accept the changes either way.. I have never cried and complained for something to be changed, I have only defended aspects already in place..

So take my words out of context if you wish.. It don't matter..

Where exactly did my position change that's my first and last posts about what I think on the note of class/job changing, maybe it's just me but it looks EXACTLY the same.

Ok perhaps you don't mean to sound whiny, or perhaps after reading 60 other posts where people where whining about upcoming changes, mostly about war being "nerfed" everything sounds like whining now.

Is "Oh they need to not change this thing cause I like it, and everyone who thinks it should be changed is stupidheads for not playing the way I want them to." not whiny?

It's what I read, did you mean something else, should we all be able to enjoy the game as a single large community? Or do we all have to level every job because you did? In order to be accepted as a decent player do I have to play exactly like everyone else or can I perhaps have a play style different than others, yet equally effective?

I do apologize though if I mistook what you meant, I've no problem admitting when I'm wrong and if this is one of those times then I'm good with that.