Prohibit class/job changes inside dungeons

[Phobos]

This is one of the few things that separates this game from the pack. Not many games can you change roles midway through an instance.

Personally, I think it makes things less monotonous. I enjoy being on one job for part of a run, then switching later on... makes things much more interesting.

What's the point of having all the classes/jobs on one character if you don't have the freedom to switch between them. Particularly when that's been a core mechanic in FFXIV from the start.

Just because some Monk somewhere only has Monk leveled and some idiot group wont invite him because they can't comprehend doing something at slightly less than peak efficiency (which, if you're in a pick-up group is nearly impossible to do anyway) doesn't mean we need to restrict every other reasonable player in the community from being able to freely switch between jobs.

[VytasBismarck]

Another QQ thread where people that don't have required classes leveled cry and make up new ideas of how to make themselves look useful? Just level all the classes, this is how this game is supposed to be played, cause if you don't have some classes leveled - you sir, gonna be left out at some point. Even if you get devs to remove the ability to change classes in some dungeon, some parties will still not want you if you dont have the right class...

[ejiboo]

they should allow you to change job during combat as long as you're not on the top of the enmity list. resetting cooldowns is more than enough punishment. not being able to change jobs whenever you want would totally go against something this game was trying to achieve in it's infancy.

we need more class/job freedom, not less.

[Enfarious]

Another QQ thread where people that don't have required classes leveled cry and make up new ideas of how to make themselves look useful? Just level all the classes, this is how this game is supposed to be played, cause if you don't have some classes leveled - you sir, gonna be left out at some point. Even if you get devs to remove the ability to change classes in some dungeon, some parties will still not want you if you dont have the right class...

I'm sorry I don't think anyone realized that you were the one heading the dev teams and the only one in the know about "how" this game is "supposed" to be played.

they should allow you to change job during combat as long as you're not on the top of the enmity list. resetting cooldowns is more than enough punishment. not being able to change jobs whenever you want would totally go against something this game was trying to achieve in it's infancy.

we need more class/job freedom, not less.

That's the ticket, why not just remove classes/jobs/any kind of distinction, let us just have 100 abils and we can swap em in and out at will so long as we're willing to suffer that cooldown reset.


Now to argue a little on both sides cause I really enjoy that, job changing(not class) in dungeons seems resonable, it doesn't contribute horribly to class stacking but would allow PLD to tank, but run as GLA through the dungeon up to the boss so they aren't so gimpy.

For all those that feel they're being slighted by the idea of locked classes/jobs and class stacking being discouraged, seriously are you so inflexible that if you can't run w/ war whm blmx6 you die, and if so why do you care who has what leveled, why for that matter have you bothered leveling more than those 3 jobs, getting told that because you can't be BLM you can't do content is f'in stupid. Encouraging that kind of bs is also stupid. I'm inclined to think that Yoshi and the devs aren't stupid and won't be bullied by a couple of players that feel like the above 2.

Anyone that thinks the game was designed so that everyone would level everything really needs to look back on every other FF, including this one pre-PLing patch. Going 1~CAP in a week or less wasn't meant to happen, it was encouraged to allow ppl to experience content before it all goes away to bring in 2.0, it's going away again. Have a nice day.

[SynysterBlitz]

I truly didn't mean to come off whiny Enfarious, sorry if I did sound it lol, I am at work on a saturday and these forums make me bitter lol..

I want a single large community, where everyone is viable for content whether you have only one job or not.. I just like versatility I suppose, having more people together with multiple jobs appeals more to me then some people who don't, but I know I shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush of "Level everything" so I am trying not to do so...

I dont think I called anyone stupidheads, but yes that is whiny sounding lol.. I am all for everyone being happy, and I do wish content was balanced for everyone.. my argument is just that I like to be able to switch jobs mid dungeon etc, I leveled it so I feel I have the right to, now if someone only has 1 job then ofc they can't switch, I just enjoy doing so that is all...

I know I may have come off a lil strong on my opinion, and will take in account of others opinions as well..

[Enfarious]

I truly didn't mean to come off whiny Enfarious, sorry if I did sound it lol, I am at work on a saturday and these forums make me bitter lol..

I want a single large community, where everyone is viable for content whether you have only one job or not.. I just like versatility I suppose, having more people together with multiple jobs appeals more to me then some people who don't, but I know I shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush of "Level everything" so I am trying not to do so...

I dont think I called anyone stupidheads, but yes that is whiny sounding lol.. I am all for everyone being happy, and I do wish content was balanced for everyone.. my argument is just that I like to be able to switch jobs mid dungeon etc, I leveled it so I feel I have the right to, now if someone only has 1 job then ofc they can't switch, I just enjoy doing so that is all...

I know I may have come off a lil strong on my opinion, and will take in account of others opinions as well..

I know how ya feel in the forums make me bitter dept. I don't know how often I get all rabid and ranty after 20~30 posts of ppl bitching about something and I tend to just kinda attack things at that point from time to time.
We're all only human here after all aren't we ^^

I'm glad to see that your actually on a page similar to myself, even if we didn't exactly start out on a great foot.

Edit: oops I always forget that all my old +reply clicks stick on these forums for weeks on end lol

[Green_and_a_Half]

next you will ask for only one war and one whm in hamlet?
just lvl all your jobs

[Enfarious]

next you will ask for only one war and one whm in hamlet?
just lvl all your jobs

That's the ticket, oh wait maybe not all of them just the ones that people like, cause playing the game in a way you enjoy, on the jobs you like best shouldn't really be a concern for you. Just do what others want that's why your playing.

People want to be able to choose to play what ever they want, with in reason of course, being shunned by the community at large because I want to do things on DRG, hamlet being whm war only, these are the things people don't want anymore.

Jobs, if balanced well, would make them all desirable in all content and then play style and skill become something that's looked at rather than, "Do you have thm/blm? mrd/war? cnj/whm? no on all 3 sorry I don't need you. Yeah I know I'm 1/8 and you could fill in 1 of the remaining 7 slots but what good is a mnk/drg/pld?"

I left brd out because it'll get accepted for things once war whm and a few blms have been grabbed, but it's not top of the list for much.

[GinTama]

One of the largest problems with balancing FFXIV right now is the exclusions of classes/jobs in dungeons due to their lack of function to achieve speed runs.

THIS not class changing is the problem but SPEED RUNS and the chest you only get with speed runs.
Well and the bad balancing between classes