FRU has been cleared without Tanks!

[Supersnow845]

Exactly this all boils down to a design issue generated from the loss of agro as a mechanic

With no agro tanks functionally don’t have any job mechanics. Tankbusters are the only mechanic that exists that forces them to engage with their mitigation toolkit

Because of this loss of tank agro tanks have basically been given as compensation healer mechanics which pushes healers to the side because tanks are bulkier and do more damage than healers

The design of the game needs to engage with tank design so tank design doesn’t encroach on healer design which will fix both roles

[Absurdity]

It's not entirely just aggro management, it's also the loss of any kind of control over the boss.
Good boss positioning was a skill to master for every fight, since it could make both dealing damage and dodging mechanics easier for the rest of your party.
Technically boss positioning still exists, but it's vestigal at best. It mattered in exactly two fights in the current raid tier, for a single mechanic per fight...and one of those is debatable.

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people act like having a 3rd shield heal that does nothing but spamming massive shields on a dps that would otherwise be 1 shot by every hit, makes tanks useless

(because of a clear that required 8 people which played on austistic level with tons of luck/good patterns, while they could never ever pull it off themselfes in their lifes)

the fight is good as it is :shrug:

[Supersnow845]

people act like having a 3rd shield heal that does nothing but spamming massive shields on a dps that would otherwise be 1 shot by every hit, makes tanks useless

the fight is good as it is :shrug:

Spreadlo is only about 1200 potency even when you boost it which is like 100-150k HP. A non spreadlo adlo is like 500 potency the tankbusters that actually hurt do about 700k and autos should hit straight through adlo. The third SCH isn’t the problem here

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Spreadlo is only about 1200 potency even when you boost it which is like 100-150k HP. A non spreadlo adlo is like 500 potency the tankbusters that actually hurt do about 700k and autos should hit straight through adlo. The third SCH isn’t the problem here

you can complain about it, once "no tank clears" become meta and every 2nd group is able to pull it off

[Supersnow845]

you can complain about it, once "no tank clears" become meta and every 2nd group is able to pull it off

Didn’t even wait a single post before jumping to the most braindead deflection that would make r/ffxiv proud

[AnotherPerson]

you can complain about it, once "no tank clears" become meta and every 2nd group is able to pull it off

Unlikely, no healer clears still looks to be far more normal. You can see even with the no tank clear, the DPS check seems pretty tight in P5 (no one can really take tankbusters because there's no tanks to invuln so damage down goes to the party after getting raised). Healers in general also just have less DPS than tanks, so it's pretty much assured if you see a 'no role clear' being more comfy / meta, it's most likely going to be no healer clear with tanks/dps unless they drastically increase the heal check requirements relative to tank/dps sustain.

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Unlikely, no healer clears still looks to be far more normal. You can see even with the no tank clear, the DPS check seems pretty tight in P5 (no one can really take tankbusters because there's no tanks to invuln so damage down goes to the party after getting raised). Healers in general also just have less DPS than tanks, so it's pretty much assured if you see a 'no role clear' being more comfy / meta, it's most likely going to be no healer clear with tanks/dps unless they drastically increase the heal check requirements relative to tank/dps sustain.

how do "no heal ult" clears look normal? Because there is 1 group every year, who pulls it off after countless tries? Its as special as no tank clears are and they will never ever be meta in any way

[Supersnow845]

how do "no heal ult" clears look normal? Because there is 1 group every year, who pulls it off after countless tries? Its as special as no tank clears are and they will never ever be meta in any way

Nobody is scared that this will become meta

People are annoyed the balance of the trinity is so warped that this is even possible

[AvoSturmfaust]

Nobody is scared that this will become meta

People are annoyed the balance of the trinity is so warped that this is even possible

This is something which is in every mmo i played in the last 15 years possible in every mmo you have people which do things which normal people cant do and u know? in these games people are happy about it, people are happy to see how such challenged are done and they know its something not everyone can do

while in final, OH NOOOO THE TRINITY, HEALER STRIKE USELSS, TANKS USELSS OH NOO BLASPHEMY
how dare they do pull something of not only 1% can do, now we need to balance everything

the encounter design in final is completly ok, you cant take such things as example because not even 1% of the playerbase is able to pull it off so healer and tanks are still needed. and even if they now change something with the encounter design sooner or later people will still find ways to pull stuff like that off.