FRU has been cleared without Tanks!

[AnotherPerson]

you can complain about it, once "no tank clears" become meta and every 2nd group is able to pull it off

Unlikely, no healer clears still looks to be far more normal. You can see even with the no tank clear, the DPS check seems pretty tight in P5 (no one can really take tankbusters because there's no tanks to invuln so damage down goes to the party after getting raised). Healers in general also just have less DPS than tanks, so it's pretty much assured if you see a 'no role clear' being more comfy / meta, it's most likely going to be no healer clear with tanks/dps unless they drastically increase the heal check requirements relative to tank/dps sustain.

[ServerCollaps]

Unlikely, no healer clears still looks to be far more normal. You can see even with the no tank clear, the DPS check seems pretty tight in P5 (no one can really take tankbusters because there's no tanks to invuln so damage down goes to the party after getting raised). Healers in general also just have less DPS than tanks, so it's pretty much assured if you see a 'no role clear' being more comfy / meta, it's most likely going to be no healer clear with tanks/dps unless they drastically increase the heal check requirements relative to tank/dps sustain.

how do "no heal ult" clears look normal? Because there is 1 group every year, who pulls it off after countless tries? Its as special as no tank clears are and they will never ever be meta in any way

[Exmo]

You all sound so miserable. Instead of celebrating a cool and difficult thing some people did, you whine your usual complaints like it's a daily roulette. Think of the life you could live if you didn't spend your time talking about a game you hate.

Personally I'm happy for the group OP linked. More fun weird stuff is good for the world.

[Supersnow845]

You all sound so miserable. Instead of celebrating a cool and difficult thing some people did, you whine your usual complaints like it's a daily roulette. Think of the life you could live if you didn't spend your time talking about a game you hate.

Personally I'm happy for the group OP linked. More fun weird stuff is good for the world.

We all know you couldn’t care less about the achievement of finishing this run

You are just salivating at another chance to go “SEE YOSHI P I LOVE THIS GAME, DONT LISTEN TO THESE LOSERS”

Like think of the life you could live if you didn’t spend more time doing performative love of the game you profess to love rather than playing it

[CKNovel]

The boogeymen has been defeated!
Now we can tank strike as well!

Congrats on the team, it's a huge achievement!

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

...so what exactly do we have multiple-expansions-improved invulns, 40% CDs, boosted Short CDs and Convalescence-infused Rampart for if the ONE thing tanks were shaped up to do was surviving the hits that nobody else can... is done by the other roles?

Like, congrats to the clear, I get it it is an accomplishment - but did I really need to lose all nuance of aggro management (on the tank side since Shadowbringers) and nuanced combat rotations (MP/Blood interaction, Beast gauge minmaxing) only for other roles to replace the one thing my role was supposed to be focused on? Come on man... first healers, now tanks?

Yes I know this only applies to this fight maybe and just shows how badly this fight is designed, but it is an Ultimate for god's sake... this shouldn't be possible.

[Daralii]

...so what exactly do we have multiple-expansions-improved invulns, 40% CDs, boosted Short CDs and Convalescence-infused Rampart for if the ONE thing tanks were shaped up to do was surviving the hits that nobody else can... is done by the other roles?

Like, congrats to the clear, I get it it is an accomplishment - but did I really need to lose all nuance of aggro management (on the tank side since Shadowbringers) and nuanced combat rotations (MP/Blood interaction, Beast gauge minmaxing) only for other roles to replace the one thing my role was supposed to be focused on? Come on man... first healers, now tanks?

Yes I know this only applies to this fight maybe and just shows how badly this fight is designed, but it is an Ultimate for god's sake... this shouldn't be possible.

The next ultimate will come with a new difficulty named ultimate². Surely that would actually need all 3 roles.

[Saraide]

...so what exactly do we have multiple-expansions-improved invulns, 40% CDs, boosted Short CDs and Convalescence-infused Rampart for if the ONE thing tanks were shaped up to do was surviving the hits that nobody else can... is done by the other roles?

Like, congrats to the clear, I get it it is an accomplishment - but did I really need to lose all nuance of aggro management (on the tank side since Shadowbringers) and nuanced combat rotations (MP/Blood interaction, Beast gauge minmaxing) only for other roles to replace the one thing my role was supposed to be focused on? Come on man... first healers, now tanks?

Yes I know this only applies to this fight maybe and just shows how badly this fight is designed, but it is an Ultimate for god's sake... this shouldn't be possible.

They have buffed healing, mitigation and shields to high heaven and this is the result. It's the reason why they feel like they have to turn everything into body checks because if they dont we will just kitchen sink through it.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

They have buffed healing, mitigation and shields to high heaven and this is the result. It's the reason why they feel like they have to turn everything into body checks because if they dont we will just kitchen sink through it.

This is "only" the result because they did not actually create an environment where those upgrades were made for. (i.e. damage being so sparse that you can essentially just kitchensink as is rather than doing something like Emerald Weapon EX where every mechanic is paired with a heavy-hitting buster so you actually need to spread your CDs)

[brinn12]

They'll just stop the limit break generation if there are no tanks or healers. This was the band-aid fix to keep Physical Ranged from being replaced by yet another Pictomancer in Dawntrail. It's much easier than fixing a broken battle system and making high-end content more interesting and unpredictable.