FRU has been cleared without Tanks!

[AnotherPerson]

how do "no heal ult" clears look normal? Because there is 1 group every year, who pulls it off after countless tries? Its as special as no tank clears are and they will never ever be meta in any way

I mean normal in relative comparison between the 'no role' clears. "No healer ult" still looks to be far more normally seen than "no tank ult" because tanks makes fights far more comfy than what healers can provide. Both clears are still going to be irregular regardless because people are used to just clearing with a preformed group of 2-2-4, but if I had to choose between one of the 'no role runs' I'd still take no healer runs over no tank runs, simply because it's comfier, lol. Sorry for the lack of clarification.

[Valence]

You know what other games have?

Unbalanced interesting classes

We traded interesting classes for 20 flavours of beige slop + gay mage and interesting encounter design for DDR fight design and we still get this garbage

Why do we have a harshly enforced trinity design where the 8 supports are shades of the same class and we have support classes that have no support allowing for easy mathematical balancing when they still can’t balance it

Thing is, in theory homogenizing everything should improve balance somewhat, but if you water down the whole battle system to a single metric, then it puts even more strain on balance and the slightest difference, say, in damage profiles, or mitigation/healing profiles, will immediately stand out because that's the only metric those profiles can be judged with.
They did paint themselves into a corner with this it's not even funny.

[Tint]

This is something which is in every mmo i played in the last 15 years possible in every mmo you have people which do things which normal people cant do and u know? in these games people are happy about it, people are happy to see how such challenged are done and they know its something not everyone can do

while in final, OH NOOOO THE TRINITY, HEALER STRIKE USELSS, TANKS USELSS OH NOO BLASPHEMY
how dare they do pull something of not only 1% can do, now we need to balance everything

the encounter design in final is completly ok, you cant take such things as example because not even 1% of the playerbase is able to pull it off so healer and tanks are still needed. and even if they now change something with the encounter design sooner or later people will still find ways to pull stuff like that off.

It's because people are pissed off for years now about the trinity. If healers and tanks were fun to play and actually needed outside of occasional pressing a tankbuster mitigation which is readiliy available and using an AoE heal once or twice a minute we would cheer up these clears. But in the current situation these clears are just like rubbing salt into the wound.

[Exmo]

You all sound so miserable. Instead of celebrating a cool and difficult thing some people did, you whine your usual complaints like it's a daily roulette. Think of the life you could live if you didn't spend your time talking about a game you hate.

Personally I'm happy for the group OP linked. More fun weird stuff is good for the world.

[CKNovel]

The boogeymen has been defeated!
Now we can tank strike as well!

Congrats on the team, it's a huge achievement!

[Supersnow845]

You all sound so miserable. Instead of celebrating a cool and difficult thing some people did, you whine your usual complaints like it's a daily roulette. Think of the life you could live if you didn't spend your time talking about a game you hate.

Personally I'm happy for the group OP linked. More fun weird stuff is good for the world.

We all know you couldn’t care less about the achievement of finishing this run

You are just salivating at another chance to go “SEE YOSHI P I LOVE THIS GAME, DONT LISTEN TO THESE LOSERS”

Like think of the life you could live if you didn’t spend more time doing performative love of the game you profess to love rather than playing it

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

It's because people are pissed off for years now about the trinity. If healers and tanks were fun to play and actually needed outside of occasional pressing a tankbuster mitigation which is readiliy available and using an AoE heal once or twice a minute we would cheer up these clears. But in the current situation these clears are just like rubbing salt into the wound.

Speaking for myself, at this point I'd like the job devs to just make it clear of one from two things regarding the topic:

1. Roll back trinity, OR;
2. Just outright admit they hate dealing with healer/tanks & axe out the trinity.

Anything, but this shallowly designed roles that pleases nobody. I know they're not going to. I'm going wishy washy as much as they did toward the roles design.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

...so what exactly do we have multiple-expansions-improved invulns, 40% CDs, boosted Short CDs and Convalescence-infused Rampart for if the ONE thing tanks were shaped up to do was surviving the hits that nobody else can... is done by the other roles?

Like, congrats to the clear, I get it it is an accomplishment - but did I really need to lose all nuance of aggro management (on the tank side since Shadowbringers) and nuanced combat rotations (MP/Blood interaction, Beast gauge minmaxing) only for other roles to replace the one thing my role was supposed to be focused on? Come on man... first healers, now tanks?

Yes I know this only applies to this fight maybe and just shows how badly this fight is designed, but it is an Ultimate for god's sake... this shouldn't be possible.

[Daralii]

...so what exactly do we have multiple-expansions-improved invulns, 40% CDs, boosted Short CDs and Convalescence-infused Rampart for if the ONE thing tanks were shaped up to do was surviving the hits that nobody else can... is done by the other roles?

Like, congrats to the clear, I get it it is an accomplishment - but did I really need to lose all nuance of aggro management (on the tank side since Shadowbringers) and nuanced combat rotations (MP/Blood interaction, Beast gauge minmaxing) only for other roles to replace the one thing my role was supposed to be focused on? Come on man... first healers, now tanks?

Yes I know this only applies to this fight maybe and just shows how badly this fight is designed, but it is an Ultimate for god's sake... this shouldn't be possible.

The next ultimate will come with a new difficulty named ultimate². Surely that would actually need all 3 roles.

[brinn12]

They'll just stop the limit break generation if there are no tanks or healers. This was the band-aid fix to keep Physical Ranged from being replaced by yet another Pictomancer in Dawntrail. It's much easier than fixing a broken battle system and making high-end content more interesting and unpredictable.