FRU has been cleared without Tanks!

[AnotherPerson]

you can complain about it, once "no tank clears" become meta and every 2nd group is able to pull it off

Unlikely, no healer clears still looks to be far more normal. You can see even with the no tank clear, the DPS check seems pretty tight in P5 (no one can really take tankbusters because there's no tanks to invuln so damage down goes to the party after getting raised). Healers in general also just have less DPS than tanks, so it's pretty much assured if you see a 'no role clear' being more comfy / meta, it's most likely going to be no healer clear with tanks/dps unless they drastically increase the heal check requirements relative to tank/dps sustain.

[ServerCollaps]

Unlikely, no healer clears still looks to be far more normal. You can see even with the no tank clear, the DPS check seems pretty tight in P5 (no one can really take tankbusters because there's no tanks to invuln so damage down goes to the party after getting raised). Healers in general also just have less DPS than tanks, so it's pretty much assured if you see a 'no role clear' being more comfy / meta, it's most likely going to be no healer clear with tanks/dps unless they drastically increase the heal check requirements relative to tank/dps sustain.

how do "no heal ult" clears look normal? Because there is 1 group every year, who pulls it off after countless tries? Its as special as no tank clears are and they will never ever be meta in any way

[Supersnow845]

how do "no heal ult" clears look normal? Because there is 1 group every year, who pulls it off after countless tries? Its as special as no tank clears are and they will never ever be meta in any way

Nobody is scared that this will become meta

People are annoyed the balance of the trinity is so warped that this is even possible

[AvoSturmfaust]

Nobody is scared that this will become meta

People are annoyed the balance of the trinity is so warped that this is even possible

This is something which is in every mmo i played in the last 15 years possible in every mmo you have people which do things which normal people cant do and u know? in these games people are happy about it, people are happy to see how such challenged are done and they know its something not everyone can do

while in final, OH NOOOO THE TRINITY, HEALER STRIKE USELSS, TANKS USELSS OH NOO BLASPHEMY
how dare they do pull something of not only 1% can do, now we need to balance everything

the encounter design in final is completly ok, you cant take such things as example because not even 1% of the playerbase is able to pull it off so healer and tanks are still needed. and even if they now change something with the encounter design sooner or later people will still find ways to pull stuff like that off.

[Supersnow845]

This is something which is in every mmo i played in the last 15 years possible in every mmo you have people which do things which normal people cant do and u know? in these games people are happy about it, people are happy to see how such challenged are done and they know its something not everyone can do

while in final, OH NOOOO THE TRINITY, HEALER STRIKE USELSS, TANKS USELSS OH NOO BLASPHEMY
how dare they do pull something of not only 1% can do, now we need to balance everything

the encounter design in final is completly ok, you cant take such things as example because not even 1% of the playerbase is able to pull it off so healer and tanks are still needed. and even if they now change something with the encounter design sooner or later people will still find ways to pull stuff like that off.

You know what other games have?

Unbalanced interesting classes

We traded interesting classes for 20 flavours of beige slop + gay mage and interesting encounter design for DDR fight design and we still get this garbage

Why do we have a harshly enforced trinity design where the 8 supports are shades of the same class and we have support classes that have no support allowing for easy mathematical balancing when they still can’t balance it

[Valence]

You know what other games have?

Unbalanced interesting classes

We traded interesting classes for 20 flavours of beige slop + gay mage and interesting encounter design for DDR fight design and we still get this garbage

Why do we have a harshly enforced trinity design where the 8 supports are shades of the same class and we have support classes that have no support allowing for easy mathematical balancing when they still can’t balance it

Thing is, in theory homogenizing everything should improve balance somewhat, but if you water down the whole battle system to a single metric, then it puts even more strain on balance and the slightest difference, say, in damage profiles, or mitigation/healing profiles, will immediately stand out because that's the only metric those profiles can be judged with.
They did paint themselves into a corner with this it's not even funny.

[Kohashi]

You know what other games have?

Unbalanced interesting classes

Do you know what those games also have? You are excluded from parties if you don't play the most broken, unbalanced out of all, as well.

Anyway...
X Ultimate was cleared without Tanks--> Wow, the skill involved,
X ultimate was cleared without healers--> The audacity!!!!

[Supersnow845]

Do you know what those games also have? You are excluded from parties if you don't play the most broken, unbalanced out of all, as well.

Anyway...
X Ultimate was cleared without Tanks--> Wow, the skill involved,
X ultimate was cleared without healers--> The audacity!!!!

You are excluded if you don’t play the most powerful class

Oh you mean like PCT, or SCH or AST

Or you get excluded if you play bad classes

Oh you mean like SMN, and MCH, and PLD and MNK many times, or WHM and SGE

Every class in 14 is the same and they still can’t balance them

[Tint]

This is something which is in every mmo i played in the last 15 years possible in every mmo you have people which do things which normal people cant do and u know? in these games people are happy about it, people are happy to see how such challenged are done and they know its something not everyone can do

while in final, OH NOOOO THE TRINITY, HEALER STRIKE USELSS, TANKS USELSS OH NOO BLASPHEMY
how dare they do pull something of not only 1% can do, now we need to balance everything

the encounter design in final is completly ok, you cant take such things as example because not even 1% of the playerbase is able to pull it off so healer and tanks are still needed. and even if they now change something with the encounter design sooner or later people will still find ways to pull stuff like that off.

It's because people are pissed off for years now about the trinity. If healers and tanks were fun to play and actually needed outside of occasional pressing a tankbuster mitigation which is readiliy available and using an AoE heal once or twice a minute we would cheer up these clears. But in the current situation these clears are just like rubbing salt into the wound.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

It's because people are pissed off for years now about the trinity. If healers and tanks were fun to play and actually needed outside of occasional pressing a tankbuster mitigation which is readiliy available and using an AoE heal once or twice a minute we would cheer up these clears. But in the current situation these clears are just like rubbing salt into the wound.

Speaking for myself, at this point I'd like the job devs to just make it clear of one from two things regarding the topic:

1. Roll back trinity, OR;
2. Just outright admit they hate dealing with healer/tanks & axe out the trinity.

Anything, but this shallowly designed roles that pleases nobody. I know they're not going to. I'm going wishy washy as much as they did toward the roles design.