FRU has been cleared without Tanks!

[All_Nonsense]

Thank god I saved a seat next to me for the Picto mains. Welcome to the easy life guys

[localareanetwork]

It's less mechanics moreso the things they did to deal with tankbusters. I think this isn't class design but moreso the fight itself being a complete joke (i.e. p1 tankbusters just not going off if you wall it..)

[Asari5]

i have no clue about thst fight, but sounds as if tank busters are the only reason tanks are 'needed'.
they really need to increase the frequency we get dmg... not just in fru

[OliverQ]

This is obviously a very skilled group that can pull this off, so 99% of players will never be able to do this. But Ultimates shouldn't be designed in such a way that it's even possible to not use a certain role.

[Azurarok]

Before the Healer Strike/Tank Strike crowd run that joke into the ground

That Reddit thread's way ahead of you.

Good thing tanks still get to have some fun in casual content and weren't told to go play ultimates if they wanted engaging gameplay.

[Jokerz_93]

This is obviously a very skilled group that can pull this off, so 99% of players will never be able to do this. But Ultimates shouldn't be designed in such a way that it's even possible to not use a certain role.

The entire concept of the battle system of this game can be summarised as a “spreadsheet fights” where everything happens when it has to.
Time, practice and patience are required in order to complete those types of content and not all players have them.
“Being able” or “willing to do”? That is the question.

[Kandraxx]

Meanwhile, Blue Mage still can't go into Ultimate because it would "take away from the prestige of getting a clear"....

Meanwhile they don't add Trust for Ultimate, Savage or generally all content which would easily be possible given it's nature or else the clear rate would be 100%. So, in full Yoshi P style to keep up the FFXIV endgame charade and artificial difficulty whenever and wherever possible you need to get 7 others by using a 3rd party site, align everyone's schedule, actually get along with them, they need to get along with you and each other, multiply the memorization process and chance for slip ups x8 and turn something what would take a solo player 1-2 hours to clear into a dozen hours ordeal.

But they don't even get the not-so-subtle hints as to why the endgame participation is somewhere at or below 10% and 2/3 Ultimate clears are bought when the boosting sites have sales.

[Mawlzy]

The entire concept of the battle system of this game can be summarised as a “spreadsheet fights” where everything happens when it has to.
Time, practice and patience are required in order to complete those types of content and not all players have them.
“Being able” or “willing to do”? That is the question.

Agreed.

There are also players who do possess such attributes who simply find spreadsheet fights dull.

[Rithy255]

Now people can stop crying that "tank op" and realise it's a major issue with encounter design and how little of importance both support roles have in content. I find this funny honestly, I said I wasn't bothered if the reverse can happen with healers/dps being able to clear without tank, I'm not really bothered but I feel like it's proof that it's more then just "tanks op and healers weak useless" line of argument that I've had to constantly see on social platforms + the forums, is just incorrect it's actually a larger issue that wouldn't be fixed by "nerf tank"

This is not to say that tanks aren't strong and could use adjustments, I think other then giving them actual fun rotations they should be given less self survivability/massive mitigations for exchange of more party importance and "protecting" abilities.

I just really hope this shows that we shouldn't really be looking at this as a issue with one role impacting another and more or less the fact that encounter design needs a actual overhaul to have these roles balanced and needed.

[Dorito_Burrito]

Meanwhile they don't add Trust for Ultimate, Savage or generally all content which would easily be possible given it's nature or else the clear rate would be 100%. So, in full Yoshi P style to keep up the FFXIV endgame charade and artificial difficulty whenever and wherever possible you need to get 7 others by using a 3rd party site, align everyone's schedule, actually get along with them, they need to get along with you and each other, multiply the memorization process and chance for slip ups x8 and turn something what would take a solo player 1-2 hours to clear into a dozen hours ordeal.

Being forced to play an multiplayer game with actual people is artificial difficulty?