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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    I think ForsakenRoe was trying to give an example -just how little Eukrasia adds- into SGE's gameplay rather than actually suggesting SE to turn them into even more of a diet-SCH.
    Basically, yeh. If anyone thinks I want SGE to become even more similar to SCH, after all of what I wrote here... yeh, IDK

    The point (though made not-very-well, possibly) is that, of all the possible designs SE could have used to make SGE 'feel different from SCH', they chose one with such small difference that it can be undone by simply tweaking a couple of numbers. There's also like... zero reason, once you have the Eukrasia button, to ever press Diagnosis or Prognosis. E.Prog/E.Diag at least restores part of their 'damage cost' via Toxikon, the MP cost increase is ignoreable due to MP economy being so strong (and the increase between Prognosis and E.Prog is literally 100), the MP you save by using the Toxikon charge given (400p saved) outweighs the 100p cheaper cost of Prognosis anyway, the extra healing that Diagnosis gives over E.Diag (or Prognosis gives over E.Prog) is easily covered by... literally anything else in the kit. The only thing that makes the distinction 'interesting' at all, is that the shields are instant and the heals are not.

    What I'm trying to get at though, is 'why have a button that upgrades my 'Medica 1 button' into a 'Succor button' (E.Prognosis and Succor even have the same effective barrier potencies!)', when there are alternative ways that the two could have been made distinct in gameplay, such as 'attack which costs more MP than Dosis, deals same damage as Dosis, but applies the Kardia heal to everyone in an AOE instead of just one person'? Or 'attack which applies a barrier to Kardia target', or 'attack which applies a Regen to Kardia target', etc. Why not lean into the idea that SGE heals by attacking (via Kardia), and give it kit that allows it to perform more of the Healer Role Responsibilities via Kardia?

    Imagine a new healer comes out, say they finally manage to come up with something for Chemist. If it has an AOE heal on the GCD that 'heals for X potency, and applies a barrier for Y% of healing done', nobody's going to care what small 'twist' they do to make it seem a little different, it's going to be referred to as 'their Succor'. If it doesn't have a Barrier attached and is just a pure heal, it's 'their Medica'. And it's okay IMO that they have a similar base kit, AST and WHM have incredibly similar base kits, Helios/Medica, Regen/Asp.Helios, Cure/Benefic, etc. It's the extra kit they have that distinguishes the two. WHM has Afflatus spells and a refund system to make them damage neutral, AST has a lot of 'delayed healing' whether via HOTs or 'literally wait to let the action become stronger' like Star, plus it also has an entire system to play around, the Arcana. SCH and SGE don't have enough distinction in that 'extra kit', IMO, hence they get the judgemental glare. Addersgall is Aetherflow, the spenders are similar enough that they have the same keybinds, and Toxikon is 'Ruin 2 with extra steps'

    BTW, Eukrasia is just 'inverse Emergency Tactics'. Instead of 'remove Barrier to heal harder', it removes part of the heal (Prognosis goes from 300>100) to apply a Barrier. Which is funny, because SGE also has 'Actual Emergency Tactics, but also the inverse' with Pepsis, where you take an applied Barrier, and then purposely break it to cause instant healing. They could have at least made it so, when a barrier breaks from damage, a buff is left for a few seconds that Pepsis can work off of, allowing you to have a gameplay of 'raidwide hits, instantly Pepsis to get a 'healing-based counterattack' of sorts'. That alone would be pretty cool to see (especially if Pepsis had a shorter CD, 30s is ridiculous for what it does)
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 02-23-2025 at 10:41 AM.