#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Important bits have been said at this point. If you don't think Glaroilficosis and the DoTs are filler, it's clear we've been talking semantics in circle. I'll stop pushing for clarification and agree to disagree then move on.

Also not gonna lie. If the effect of Seraphism didn't turn their GCD healing into instant casts, maybe that oughta be fairer. At the very least they would still retain SCH's weakness that is raw heal output on the move.

[Alice_Rivers]

While I'm not a good shield healer, for all I've tried recently, I can't help but hate Eukrasia. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were an oGCD but in my experience my entire flow just stops dead whenever I have to press it, rather than Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, Eukrasia, Something; It feels like Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, pause, Eukrasia, Something. There's nothing stopping them making it an oGCD.

[Aravell]

Important bits have been said at this point. If you don't think Glaroilficosis and the DoTs are filler, it's clear we've been talking semantics in circle. I'll stop pushing for clarification and agree to disagree then move on.

Also not gonna lie. If the effect of Seraphism didn't turn their GCD healing into instant casts, maybe that oughta be fairer. At the very least they would still retain SCH's weakness that is raw heal output on the move.

It's funny to me that they introduced SGE with the advantage of being able to shield on the move, then they gave SCH Seraphism the very next expansion which completely deletes SGE's advantage.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]There's nothing stopping them making it an oGCD.

I could immediately imagine myself ghosting my Eukrasia procs just like how I ghost my dualcasts occasionally on RDM because my high ping :cries:

It's funny to me that they introduced SGE with the advantage of being able to shield on the move, then they gave SCH Seraphism the very next expansion which completely deletes SGE's advantage.

Adding salt to the injury, is the fact that SGE’s Philosophia gives no way to capitalize the healing value beyond first pepsis on the move should they actually need it. Want to spam Cure III? Now you have to be a literal, immobile WHM to cast those Prognosis once E.Prog shields are up & Pepsis on cooldown while the SCH hopping around in circle stealing E.Prognosis’ gil with their Emergency Tactic ad infinitum within the same duration.

[Azurarok]

While I'm not a good shield healer, for all I've tried recently, I can't help but hate Eukrasia. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were an oGCD but in my experience my entire flow just stops dead whenever I have to press it, rather than Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, Eukrasia, Something; It feels like Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, pause, Eukrasia, Something. There's nothing stopping them making it an oGCD.

Changing it to an oGCD would change the timing it'd be pressed to one of the weave windows and I think it'd throw me off by a lot.

It's also why I wonder if Dosis was a full 2.5s cast during EW's development. In that case it would've served to give the Sage the mobility of an instant cast but only one weave window, which then would've given toxicon and phlegma more value as proper instant casts

[YarnMage48]

What do you consider dosis to be if you don’t consider it filler. I mean that’s literally what it is in the most literal sense of the word. It’s what you press when you don’t have anything else to press. I don’t get how that can be up for debate

An important part of my toolkit, just like everything else on my bar.

[YarnMage48]

To be fair, though, Eukrasian Dosis is no more Dosis than Dia, Afflatus Solace, Glare IV, is Glare, Biolysis is Broil, or Combust is Malefic.

Nor does Eukrasian Dosis even change the number of skills you need on your bar relative to the other 30s-duration DoTs. You're still using another key to then replace an GCD of the functionally identical attack, up to once per 30s (20s, in Afflatus's case; thrice per 120s in G4's case).

The difference is just that you hit the filler attack's button once more per DoT; that's it.

Ok let's break this down. Dosis III, Eukrasion Dosis III, Dykrasia II, and Eukrasion Dykrasia II adds up to 4 spells. Counting Eukraisa, that's only 3 hotbar spaces to access all 4 of them.

But Eukrasia also impacts heal GCDs. So when you add in Diagnosis, Eukrasion Diagnosis, Prognosis, and Eukrasion Prognosis, that's 8 total spells that only takes up 5 spaces on my hotbar.

So yes. Eukrasia changes the amount of space needed for my GCD skills.

[YarnMage48]

Wait hang on. Are you saying that this small difference in how the skills work makes a large impact on how the class plays to you? Interesting, interesting. I'm glad you brought that up.

I can totally understand why the Eukrasia gimmick wouldn't be enjoyable to everyone. I hope you're enjoying one of the other healer classes more!

[YarnMage48]

It's funny to me that they introduced SGE with the advantage of being able to shield on the move, then they gave SCH Seraphism the very next expansion which completely deletes SGE's advantage.

Seraphism has a cooldown. Recitation has a cooldown. Eukrasian skills are GCD. Seraphism is a great skills with a lot of cool effects, but it doesn't in any way nullify the fact that a Sage can cast a GCD shield on the move whenever they want.

[ForsakenRoe]

I think the main issue with Eukrasia is how little it affects. Let's take the four actions it modifies:

Diagnosis is 450p. If we change Eukrasian Diagnosis from '300p, Barrier for 180%' to '450p, Barrier for 120%', the functionality of the action, barrier-wise, remains the same, but the base Diagnosis potency is folded into the action, thereby making Diagnosis unrequired as an action.

Prognosis is 300p. If we change Eukrasian Prognosis from '100p, Barrier for 360%' to '300p, Barrier for 120%', the functionality of the action, barrier-wise, remains the same, but the base Prognosis potency is folded into the action, thereby making Prognosis unrequired as an action.

With these two actions no longer requiring Eukrasian interaction, the only remaining thing Eukrasia would achieve is 'it is how you access your DOT'. And at that point, rather than 'swap Dosis to E.Dosis', it could just as well be another 'press this to apply DOT' button like the other healers have. Point is, what Eukrasia actually 'does', its purpose for being a button on the hotbar, can be invalidated with simple numerical tweaks

This would be far less of a problem if Eukrasia did more than just 'swap button A to button A2', eg if Eukrasian Dosis did something else via Kardia, if Eukrasian Phlegma or Eukrasian Toxikon existed and had different effects on Kardia such as triggering an AOE heal, etc. becuase then Kardia would be a system that has depth enough to set it apart from SCH (who would presumably have more Faerie interaction within their gameplay)