fflogs and privacy

[VeyaAkemi]

It's like 6 years old. That's how insecure, butthurt, and unemployed these people truly are. The purpose of that post was to ragebait, and it looks like it still works 6 years later! Haha.

"You see, I was merely pretending to be stupid, that will get them!"

[Lilapop]

This game does not have a kind community, and that’s just a part of life. FFlogs exposes the lie.

Lie? The only people who unironically thought that this game was the perfect community heard in fairy tales and rumors are people blissfully ignorant of anything said around them. It's an mmo. There's mmo toxicity.

[ExcellusUltimus]

"You see, I was merely pretending to be stupid, that will get them!"

What was stupid in the post? It required a decent caliber of player.

[Lilapop]

A bit extreme opinion, for sure (the one you’re replying to), but what is the real added value of FF logs anyway, if all harder content in this game follows the same formula? Every piece of hard content progression I’ve seen or experienced first hand went like this:

1. Learn the mechanics
2. Try to die as little as possible
3. As long as you know your class and there aren’t too many deaths, the party will eventually clear

PF usually does a good job at filtering out players who are obviously unaware of how their job is played. No need to see logs for that (unless you are forming a static and want to play with the best of the best).

Usually, people do know their jobs and gear / correct DPS rotations aren’t the problem - mechanics are usually the problem and staying alive enough to meet the DPS check at enrage. Therefore raiding in this game isn’t that much skill-bound, rather than awareness and memory-bound.
I’ve honestly never seen a party in which no more than 2-3 players died during a duty to be unable to clear. Ultimates might be an exception, I’ve never tried those, but the standard harder content (Savage and Extremes) do not seem to be DPS-checks oriented, but they are rather a “dance” of which when you learn the moves, you’ll be safe and clear eventually.

So why is there even a need for something like FF logs in the case of FF XIV? I know it can analyse a player’s performance during a fight and offer recommendations, but that only makes it a good education tool.

I just really don’t see the need to min-max and optimise the **** out of one’s DPS if the game is more focused on understanding the fight, rather than chasing DPS checks.

Again, this might not apply to statics, where I do understand why people are looking to play with consistent enough players with a track record.

You forget one thing... "but muh beeg numbers for all 2 see!"

[ExcellusUltimus]

I felt that it nicely proves my point that people who tout parse percentiles as the be all and end all benchmark for player skill are usually clowns who are best ignored.

When used correctly, logs are very useful. The potential for people to misuse them or attempt to use percentiles to gatekeep exists but it's rare and in doing this someone is pretty much outing themself as being an idiot.

My post didn't tout percentiles. It asked for clears, and reasonable, mid-tier numbers that are easily achievable by most players with an understanding of their class. So if anything you used me as a counter example.

[CaedemSanguis]

I would love to see SE sue the creators of FFLOGs and have the website shut down permanently. FFLOGs is a blight on this game, and the average player doesn't have the intelligence necessary to use the website in a reasonable manner.

Hell, last night I was in a party for Chaotic and somebody insulted me for having less than 20 logged clears. (I had 19.) Even though I've cleared all content in the game, including all ultimates, most on patch, since 2.0.

FFlogs provides fuel for morons and the community would be better off without it.

if they delete it, they should delete ultimates and savages also

[CaedemSanguis]

Agreed, but not for the reason you think. FFlogs lets us see what this game really is behind the cutesy characters. In a competitive game like this, people are vicious and mean. People will harm you just to advance their own reputations. This game does not have a kind community, and that’s just a part of life. FFlogs exposes the lie.

But you know the good thing about logs? If other people use them, so can you. Your enemies aren’t safe from having their logs pulled up and thrown in their faces. People can’t be afraid to be a little mean in this game, especially when Square Enix obviously doesn’t care about enforcing their own ToS. It’s anarchy which means you’re responsible for your own safety. And this is what people want, so isn’t it fair?

Nothing competitive about FF14 aside maybe from top 10 savage ranking (world prog)

[VeyaAkemi]

What was stupid in the post? It required a decent caliber of player.

I didn't say you were stupid, I was referencing an old meme that encapsulates the attitude you displayed, I assumed enough people would be familiar with it.



It's the same spirit, do thing, get called out for doing thing, proceed to go "Actually I wasn't serious and you fell for it", okay so? you still did the thing that you were called out for, it's not a tenth as clever you seem to think it is.

[Saraide]

Oh my god there is a google doc about this dude.

edit: lmao calling it ragebait but then trying to defend it genuinely, i cant

[Collin_Sky]

A bit extreme opinion, for sure (the one you’re replying to), but what is the real added value of FF logs anyway, if all harder content in this game follows the same formula? Every piece of hard content progression I’ve seen or experienced first hand went like this:

1. Learn the mechanics
2. Try to die as little as possible
3. As long as you know your class and there aren’t too many deaths, the party will eventually clear

PF usually does a good job at filtering out players who are obviously unaware of how their job is played. No need to see logs for that (unless you are forming a static and want to play with the best of the best).

Usually, people do know their jobs and gear / correct DPS rotations aren’t the problem - mechanics are usually the problem and staying alive enough to meet the DPS check at enrage. Therefore raiding in this game isn’t that much skill-bound, rather than awareness and memory-bound.
I’ve honestly never seen a party in which no more than 2-3 players died during a duty to be unable to clear. Ultimates might be an exception, I’ve never tried those, but the standard harder content (Savage and Extremes) do not seem to be DPS-checks oriented, but they are rather a “dance” of which when you learn the moves, you’ll be safe and clear eventually.

So why is there even a need for something like FF logs in the case of FF XIV? I know it can analyse a player’s performance during a fight and offer recommendations, but that only makes it a good education tool.

I just really don’t see the need to min-max and optimise the **** out of one’s DPS if the game is more focused on understanding the fight, rather than chasing DPS checks.

Again, this might not apply to statics, where I do understand why people are looking to play with consistent enough players with a track record.

This reply kinda proves you have no idea what features fflogs actually has, and also don't take prog very seriously.

It is immensely valuable for diagnosing wipes. Being able to see what mitigation people had, being able to check how much they were overkilled by, how many heals they received leading up to wipes. This is invaluable for progression.
Here's an image that demonstrates this:


Additionally, as I have said earlier in the thread, it's useful as a tool for double checking what abilities people are using at what times, and ensuring they're being used to maximum value.
It's also valuable as a comparison tool. If I'm playing a healer and I'm unsure about what mit to use, I can literally check a bunch of logs from high ranking healers and compare what they're using, and when. Similarly as a DPS, I can check what fight specific optimisations people are using, and apply that myself. FRU had a LOT of this, so it was very useful to be able to check what the best players are doing.
If you think fflogs isn't useful for prog, you're not serious about prog.

Usually, people do know their jobs and gear / correct DPS rotations aren’t the problem

also lol, the average PF player is terrible at their job