fflogs and privacy

[BigCheez]

That's an interesting slope to follow, I dare hope it's not too slippery. The real question becomes where do you put the line and how many morons are "some morons", and how much of their "moronic" culture spreading is too much, becoming the de facto standard of acceptance that shapes the rules permeating the whole community?

You chose cars and makeshift weapons. Could have also gone for hard drugs on the other end of the spectrum.

Which one is the better analogy here? I don't honestly know, but I'll let you chose.

I mean, Portugal saw a 75% decrease in drug related deaths after decriminalizing drug possession. It's almost like the answer to a lot of these problems is education and responsible use.

[Valence]

I mean, Portugal saw a 75% decrease in drug related deaths after decriminalizing drug possession. It's almost like the answer to a lot of these problems is education and responsible use.

Did you read the hard part of the drugs or did you just choose to conveniently gloss over it? Because I'm sure Portugal decriminalized those too am I right?
And then what, we're moving to gun regulation?

[Archmortal]

God damn, taking that guy to task with that reply

It's a half-decade old screenshot so, not as much as you think. And it's still a cogent point that FFLogs users cannibalize themselves regularly regardless of if their own past appears hypocritical of such stated criticism now. I used to raid in WoW, I was as toxic as the average raider there when I was doing it (though I pride myself on never being the type to shout slurs, at least). Am I projecting if I then say WoW raiders as a community are toxic af 13 or so years after I stopped?

[BigCheez]

It's a half-decade old screenshot so, not as much as you think. And it's still a cogent point that FFLogs users cannibalize themselves regularly regardless of if their own past appears hypocritical of such stated criticism now. I used to raid in WoW, I was as toxic as the average raider there when I was doing it (though I pride myself on never being the type to shout slurs, at least). Am I projecting if I then say WoW raiders as a community are toxic af 13 or so years after I stopped?

I felt that it nicely proves my point that people who tout parse percentiles as the be all and end all benchmark for player skill are usually clowns who are best ignored.

When used correctly, logs are very useful. The potential for people to misuse them or attempt to use percentiles to gatekeep exists but it's rare and in doing this someone is pretty much outing themself as being an idiot.

[ExcellusUltimus]

I felt that it nicely proves my point that people who tout parse percentiles as the be all and end all benchmark for player skill are usually clowns who are best ignored.

When used correctly, logs are very useful. The potential for people to misuse them or attempt to use percentiles to gatekeep exists but it's rare and in doing this someone is pretty much outing themself as being an idiot.

My post didn't tout percentiles. It asked for clears, and reasonable, mid-tier numbers that are easily achievable by most players with an understanding of their class. So if anything you used me as a counter example.

[Saraide]

Oh my god there is a google doc about this dude.

edit: lmao calling it ragebait but then trying to defend it genuinely, i cant

[BokoToloko]

Most of my grievances with fflogs are more directly with the way they run the page rather than anything SE has any way to control

FFLogs characters should be private by default. I've already seen people willing to check others on fflogs in order to harrass them, even had one myself who decided to rag on me because of a grey parse that was... my first time at a normal raid, logged by someone I don't even know. And, while it is reportable, it would be way better to fix the problem at the root rather than have the GM plug the leaks. And, again, that's something the website owners should be aware of. SE has pretty much little to do with it.

[CaedemSanguis]

I think ACT in FF14 is just as much popular as Details! in WoW, legal in WoW, illegal in FF14, but in terms of usage, it's probably the same

[SweetestLily]

In order for fflogs to efficiently work as intended, sadly it cannot be an opt in thing. They need to scan every single person in the party of the person who is uploading that log because they need to verify that they all played legitimately. They have a system to detect if anyone used certain cheats to gain damage advantages and if a single person in that party did, everyone benefited from that so they will invalidate the entire log. They need to know how much RDPS ppl gained from others from their raid buffs etc. There is no way they just can't scan everyone in the party's numbers. There's a reason they do things the way they do and it isn't to harm anyone. Don't blame the website. It's simply supposed to be a tool for ppl who want to improve and push themselves further, blame the brainrotted ppl who use the tool for their clownery. Also, removing fflogs would kill the raid scene, and SE is well aware of this fact so it's not going anywhere. It's been here since the beginning and it will be til the day the game shuts down.

[BokoToloko]

In order for fflogs to efficiently work as intended, sadly it cannot be an opt in thing. They need to scan every single person in the party of the person who is uploading that log because they need to verify that they all played legitimately. They have a system to detect if anyone used certain cheats to gain damage advantages and if a single person in that party did, everyone benefited from that so they will invalidate the entire log. They need to know how much RDPS ppl gained from others from their raid buffs etc. There is no way they just can't scan everyone in the party's numbers. There's a reason they do things the way they do and it isn't to harm anyone. Don't blame the website. It's simply supposed to be a tool for ppl who want to improve and push themselves further, blame the brainrotted ppl who use the tool for their clownery. Also, removing fflogs would kill the raid scene, and SE is well aware of this fact so it's not going anywhere. It's been here since the beginning and it will be til the day the game shuts down.

How does any of the encounter data compilation interfere from setting the character profiles private by default? If anything, it could make a stronger incentive to use the data if you needed to log in to access all your logged encounters, both the encounters logged by you or by others and decide whether you want to make it public or not. It's not so much wanting fflogs to selectively choose the data they compile as much as it is them refraining from disclosing said data or the aggregated information about each individual player to the general public without said players consent or knowledge. And there could be degrees upon which said privacy can be implemented, like keeping most of the site as is with the sole exception that character pages are private by default, meaning the logs they appear in can still be seen but you can't see the character data across encounters, content or expansions unless they decide to make that public.

And it's fflogs that we have to turn to because they're the ones with actual capacity and responsibility to prevent misuse of their tool. It's a waste of time to demand accountability from the party at fault because they're the first ones that want to maintain the status quo and, thus, the least willing to change something about it.