fflogs and privacy

[ExcellusUltimus]

this is the most unhinged reply in the entire thread lmao

What's crazy about it? It's a website that violates SE terms of service, and quite possibly some of their IP and copyrights. They have every right to try to shut it down and they should. If you don't think FFLOGs is used in a ridiculous manner by the community then you're simply willfully ignorant.

[BigCheez]

I would love to see SE sue the creators of FFLOGs and have the website shut down permanently. FFLOGs is a blight on this game, and the average player doesn't have the intelligence necessary to use the website in a reasonable manner.

Hell, last night I was in a party for Chaotic and somebody insulted me for having less than 20 logged clears. (I had 19.) Even though I've cleared all content in the game, including all ultimates, most on patch, since 2.0.

FFlogs provides fuel for morons and the community would be better off without it.

You're projecting.



Most people don't set week 1 clears, orange logs and gamer words as the bar for entry to their casual groups.

[caffe_macchiato]

this is the most unhinged reply in the entire thread lmao

Agreed, but not for the reason you think. FFlogs lets us see what this game really is behind the cutesy characters. In a competitive game like this, people are vicious and mean. People will harm you just to advance their own reputations. This game does not have a kind community, and that’s just a part of life. FFlogs exposes the lie.

But you know the good thing about logs? If other people use them, so can you. Your enemies aren’t safe from having their logs pulled up and thrown in their faces. People can’t be afraid to be a little mean in this game, especially when Square Enix obviously doesn’t care about enforcing their own ToS. It’s anarchy which means you’re responsible for your own safety. And this is what people want, so isn’t it fair?

[Tulvi]

this is the most unhinged reply in the entire thread lmao

A bit extreme opinion, for sure (the one you’re replying to), but what is the real added value of FF logs anyway, if all harder content in this game follows the same formula? Every piece of hard content progression I’ve seen or experienced first hand went like this:

1. Learn the mechanics
2. Try to die as little as possible
3. As long as you know your class and there aren’t too many deaths, the party will eventually clear

PF usually does a good job at filtering out players who are obviously unaware of how their job is played. No need to see logs for that (unless you are forming a static and want to play with the best of the best).

Usually, people do know their jobs and gear / correct DPS rotations aren’t the problem - mechanics are usually the problem and staying alive enough to meet the DPS check at enrage. Therefore raiding in this game isn’t that much skill-bound, rather than awareness and memory-bound.
I’ve honestly never seen a party in which no more than 2-3 players died during a duty to be unable to clear. Ultimates might be an exception, I’ve never tried those, but the standard harder content (Savage and Extremes) do not seem to be DPS-checks oriented, but they are rather a “dance” of which when you learn the moves, you’ll be safe and clear eventually.

So why is there even a need for something like FF logs in the case of FF XIV? I know it can analyse a player’s performance during a fight and offer recommendations, but that only makes it a good education tool.

I just really don’t see the need to min-max and optimise the **** out of one’s DPS if the game is more focused on understanding the fight, rather than chasing DPS checks.

Again, this might not apply to statics, where I do understand why people are looking to play with consistent enough players with a track record.

[Rolder50]

You're projecting.

Most people don't set week 1 clears, orange logs and gamer words as the bar for entry to their casual groups.

God damn, taking that guy to task with that reply

[Saraide]

You're projecting.



Most people don't set week 1 clears, orange logs and gamer words as the bar for entry to their casual groups.

Please tell me this is an ancient screenshot cuz there aint no way someone is seriously asking that now for TEA of all things

[Archmortal]

God damn, taking that guy to task with that reply

It's a half-decade old screenshot so, not as much as you think. And it's still a cogent point that FFLogs users cannibalize themselves regularly regardless of if their own past appears hypocritical of such stated criticism now. I used to raid in WoW, I was as toxic as the average raider there when I was doing it (though I pride myself on never being the type to shout slurs, at least). Am I projecting if I then say WoW raiders as a community are toxic af 13 or so years after I stopped?

[BigCheez]

It's a half-decade old screenshot so, not as much as you think. And it's still a cogent point that FFLogs users cannibalize themselves regularly regardless of if their own past appears hypocritical of such stated criticism now. I used to raid in WoW, I was as toxic as the average raider there when I was doing it (though I pride myself on never being the type to shout slurs, at least). Am I projecting if I then say WoW raiders as a community are toxic af 13 or so years after I stopped?

I felt that it nicely proves my point that people who tout parse percentiles as the be all and end all benchmark for player skill are usually clowns who are best ignored.

When used correctly, logs are very useful. The potential for people to misuse them or attempt to use percentiles to gatekeep exists but it's rare and in doing this someone is pretty much outing themself as being an idiot.

[VeyaAkemi]

You're projecting.

Oooh, the tea about TEA, how poetic.

[ExcellusUltimus]

Please tell me this is an ancient screenshot cuz there aint no way someone is seriously asking that now for TEA of all things

It's like 6 years old. That's how insecure, butthurt, and unemployed these people truly are. The purpose of that post was to ragebait, and it looks like it still works 6 years later! Haha.