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    Aravell's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    You don't get it because you've not experienced it from the casual end. Again, I am leery of raiders specifically because I have seen them consistently destroy guilds and FCs because other players weren't meeting their standards.

    If you weren't guilty of this, then bravo for you. But, it's been my decades of experience that raiders fall into toxicity far more often than casuals.

    Raiders may have been criticising the state of healers but they also were pushing for their damage dealers and tanks to make those big hits and be able to brag about their rankings on the forbidden website. The devs decided the current model was the best way to deliver what the raiders wanted.

    We now have to spam filler forever and a day then pray for big hits within a small window precisely because of raiders pushed hard for damage numbers the various jobs within each role to be equal. The fact this also made the game unfun is precisely my point. Healers were made the fifth wheel because the amount of damage each job could potentially deliver was made such a big deal.

    Guess who doesn't care so much about making all the damage dealing equal for each role? Casuals.
    I'm pointing out that this is precisely the kind of attitude that will garner pushback from parts of the community that wouldn't have pushed back otherwise. It also risks harming the strike itself as it's made up of all kinds of players, raiders and casuals alike.

    I'll say it again, this isn't a 'righteous casuals vs evil raiders' thing, so please stop bashing an entire subsection of the community because you had bad experiences with some people who claim to be part of that subsection.

    Raiders are not a monolith, none of the high-end raiders I played with wanted what ShB onwards did to the jobs. Just like casuals aren't a monolith, as some of them have voiced out that they love current healers precisely because they're easy to play and fun is secondary to them.
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I'm pointing out that this is precisely the kind of attitude that will garner pushback from parts of the community that wouldn't have pushed back otherwise. It also risks harming the strike itself as it's made up of all kinds of players, raiders and casuals alike.

    I'll say it again, this isn't a 'righteous casuals vs evil raiders' thing, so please stop bashing an entire subsection of the community because you had bad experiences with some people who claim to be part of that subsection.

    Raiders are not a monolith, none of the high-end raiders I played with wanted what ShB onwards did to the jobs. Just like casuals aren't a monolith, as some of them have voiced out that they love current healers precisely because they're easy to play and fun is secondary to them.
    You are right. I'm having a bad bout of "fibro-flu". It's made me irritable and I'm acting out.

    Not all raiders are like the bad ones I've encountered. It's clear many of them, perhaps the majority of them, are just as unhappy with the current state of the game as I am. I apologize for bashing them.

    I'm going to sit back, take my pain meds, and chill.
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