#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aidorouge]

You're grossly missing the point of the strike. The point of the strike is very simple: We don't want to play the healers as they currently are anymore.

Whether the strike impacts metrics and the dev team decides to make changes or other people play the job we dislike for us and we get a smooth switch over to tank/DPS with quicker queues from these new healers, we win either way.

There is no losing here. You may not be supporting the strike by queueing as a healer, but you are making it more comfy for an ex-healer to main a different role by taking their place as the cog in the wheel.

So I hope you continue having fun as a healer so I can continue to have fast DPS queues, thank you for your service.

Again, it just comes off like anti-strikers threatening ex-healers with a good time and they don't seem to be grasping that, but instead keep trying to twist it into some kind of "own" on the ex-healers, lol.

[Striker44]

You're grossly missing the point of the strike. The point of the strike is very simple: We don't want to play the healers as they currently are anymore.

Whether the strike impacts metrics and the dev team decides to make changes or other people play the job we dislike for us and we get a smooth switch over to tank/DPS with quicker queues from these new healers, we win either way.

This is directly from your "manifesto": "Players supporting the strike wish to hold the development team and Square Enix accountable on their promise to provide a fulfilling and enjoyable experience for everyone."

It's mind-boggling that people would participate in the strike without even knowing what it's about. The entire goal is to encourage the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Unless, of course, that's all a sham and the real reason is to just make yourselves the center of attention when you could just as easily simply choose not to play a healer role?

There is no losing here. You may not be supporting the strike by queueing as a healer, but you are making it more comfy for an ex-healer to main a different role by taking their place as the cog in the wheel.

So I hope you continue having fun as a healer so I can continue to have fast DPS queues, thank you for your service.

I don't see it as a "cog in the wheel" or a "service". Straight up - I enjoy healing in this game. (For the record, I've always considered myself a DPS/RDM main, but most of the time I'm queuing for roulettes it's always been as a healer.)

Again, it just comes off like anti-strikers threatening ex-healers with a good time and they don't seem to be grasping that, but instead keep trying to twist it into some kind of "own" on the ex-healers, lol.

I suppose to some extent this might be true for some of us. The whole "strike" thing comes off as a diva complex to me, with people wanting to be the center of attention, blatantly insulting the developers for daring to make their game the way they choose, ganging up on anyone here who opposes them...it is kinda nice karma seeing the whole thing fall flat.

Why would I set there a waste my time spamming 1111111 and letting someone else play PCT when i just let the contrarians do the boring as hell healer and let me play PCT

So yeah if you still wanna play healer for whatever reason I hope you enjoy it, and m having a blast on PCT

Glad to hear you're having a lot of fun with PCT! I think this comment I'm quoting sums up a fair part of the issue - look at how dismissive and condescending the rest of it is, trying to objectively declare a different role "boring as hell" that people can play "for whatever reason". It would go a long way for those supporting the strike to simply acknowledge their take is their own personal opinion, rather than having to attack or insult anyone who dares to have fun playing a healer.

Hard for me to tell if the queues are because of the strike or because its Dynamis and we are trapped. Still supporting you guys though.

The queues have nothing to do with the "strike." We have an expansion that just started with 2 new DPS roles that a ton of people are playing. The last time SE released 2 DPS roles, there wasn't a strike, and there's posts someone dug up the other day showing that several months into that expansion, queues were still excessive for DPS.

[Supersnow845]

This is directly from your "manifesto": "Players supporting the strike wish to hold the development team and Square Enix accountable on their promise to provide a fulfilling and enjoyable experience for everyone."

It's mind-boggling that people would participate in the strike without even knowing what it's about. The entire goal is to encourage the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Unless, of course, that's all a sham and the real reason is to just make yourselves the center of attention when you could just as easily simply choose not to play a healer role?



I don't see it as a "cog in the wheel" or a "service". Straight up - I enjoy healing in this game. (For the record, I've always considered myself a DPS/RDM main, but most of the time I'm queuing for roulettes it's always been as a healer.)



I suppose to some extent this might be true for some of us. The whole "strike" thing comes off as a diva complex to me, with people wanting to be the center of attention, blatantly insulting the developers for daring to make their game the way they choose, ganging up on anyone here who opposes them...it is kinda nice karma seeing the whole thing fall flat.



Glad to hear you're having a lot of fun with PCT! I think this comment I'm quoting sums up a fair part of the issue - look at how dismissive and condescending the rest of it is, trying to objectively declare a different role "boring as hell" that people can play "for whatever reason". It would go a long way for those supporting the strike to simply acknowledge their take is their own personal opinion, rather than having to attack or insult anyone who dares to have fun playing a healer.



The queues have nothing to do with the "strike." We have an expansion that just started with 2 new DPS roles that a ton of people are playing. The last time SE released 2 DPS roles, there wasn't a strike, and there's posts someone dug up the other day showing that several months into that expansion, queues were still excessive for DPS.

Striker I am for the 1029591069286026020692471 time begging you to not take every single sentence as an attack on everyone else

“Boring as hell healer role” “if you still want want to play healer for whatever reason”

That’s my opinion, I didn’t write that as an “attack” on people who still like healers, you’ve desperately got to calm down on this front

[Aidorouge]

Striker I am for the 1029591069286026020692471 time begging you to not take every single sentence as an attack on everyone else

I eventually gave up and put them on ignore, at this point they're being deliberately obtuse and obnoxious that I just assume they're trolling the thread now.
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Common opposing arguments and their answer:

"Your strike has failed!" > You never understood the actual goal of the strike.
"You can be replaced!" > Good. Pop my queues for me.
"Play some other job then!" > Already have.
"I/My friends don't see anything wrong with healers." > Good for you, you're free to enjoy them.
"123 isn't any different than 111" > Literally where did anyone ask for a 123 combo?
"The forum is a minority!" > Well so are you, by nature of being on this forum.

Worth noting as well that regardless of queue times, it's still objectively true that the number of people playing healer would have dropped. Sure, "contented" healers are still there, but we know ex-healers have walked away from the role, versus having no idea how many of the called "new" healers actually stepped up or were all bluster (especially so given how many of those particular folks had no healers close to 90 or even unlocked, lol). Admittedly the total amount of healers actively queuing/playing is a metric only Square-Enix can see, but they *will* see it, for better or worse.

[Myrany]

I eventually gave up and put them on ignore, at this point they're being deliberately obtuse and obnoxious that I just assume they're trolling the thread now.
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Worth noting as well that regardless of queue times, it's still objectively true that the number of people playing healer would have dropped. Sure, "contented" healers are still there, but we know ex-healers have walked away from the role, versus having no idea how many of the called "new" healers actually stepped up or were all bluster (especially so given how many of those particular folks had no healers close to 90 or even unlocked, lol). Admittedly the total amount of healers actively queuing/playing is a metric only Square-Enix can see, but they *will* see it, for better or worse.

I don't think not having a healer at 90 is a good enough reason to discount someone as long as they have leveled some on the healer. I have NOTHING at 90 despite playing over 5 years. My highest healer is in the 70's I think. Stopped playing it.

Also not everyone posts on their main character. When I started posting on the forums Myrany here was my main. As of last expansion that changed but rather than muddy waters about who I am by posting on a different character I just stuck with Myrany.

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

some self-thought nonsense

You can twist and bend all the words Gemina has written or written by other ppl who have already answered to you.

At the end of the day, strikers are just switching job like anybody would do when an expansion is released.

If you're not happy, we don't care. Deal with it.

[Aword3213]

It's mind-boggling that people would participate in the strike without even knowing what it's about. The entire goal is to encourage the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game.

Devs change things all the time. If everything in the game is desgined the way it is to appeal the preference of "majority", there's no need to change anything in the game. You shouldn't add new content because people like the game the way it is. You shouldn't add new jobs because people like the game the way it is. You shouldn't balance skill potency because people like the game the way it is. You shouldn't rework and redesign jobs such as SMN and MNK because beople like the game the way it is. You shouldn't implement graphical update because people like the game the way it is.

If SE make changes based on the feedback, what and whose feedback are they listening to? The silent majority? but the moment they speak up, they no longer respresent "silent" majority. Who's to say the one spoke up actually represent the unanimous opinions?

The official way to leave feedback is through the forum, which you seemed to despise.

Unless, of course, that's all a sham and the real reason is to just make yourselves the center of attention when you could just as easily simply choose not to play a healer role?

You seemed rather attached to this thread which is considered "insignificant" , "don't matter." You made more replies here than many people supporting the strike. Talk about being the center of attention.

I don't see it as a "cog in the wheel" or a "service". Straight up - I enjoy healing in this game. (For the record, I've always considered myself a DPS/RDM main, but most of the time I'm queuing for roulettes it's always been as a healer.)

Pretty sure you'll still like healing even if SE make drastic changes to healers based on forum feedback, because, to you, any changes are made by the opinions of the majority. You will heed the power of the majority and you will like it.

I suppose to some extent this might be true for some of us. The whole "strike" thing comes off as a diva complex to me, with people wanting to be the center of attention, blatantly insulting the developers for daring to make their game the way they choose, ganging up on anyone here who opposes them...it is kinda nice karma seeing the whole thing fall flat.

Compared to the amount of people jumping in this thread leaving dismissive comments full of ridicule without the courtesy even read the OP, I'd say people supporting the strike is usually the receiving end of toxic behavior.

LMAO HEALER STRIKE
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I'll just sell healer queues for 50k a spot. np!

LOL please, This is NOT a combat focused MMO, it's Story-driven and boy I have been playing this game A LOT longer than you so yes, you are the pathetic one, I'm a day 1 1.0 player

]Yeah you guys wanna be omni makes. Dps, tank and healer all rolled into 1 package. Seems legit.

im laughing

But I'm all for you guys being on a strike. Please be on strike forever.

And getting people like me to slither out from the rocks we live under like snakes to point and laugh at you all for doing this isn't really 'success'

]Lol I'm actually amused this is still going on. Go on "strike". You pretty expendable and we got healers everywhere.

ok so play harder content would be the answer to that.

I never imagined that FFXIV would have so many individuals with questionable behavior and morals playing. Some of you tarnish its reputation for being a friendly and nurturing environment. Shame on you for lacking basic empathy. With people like some of those who support this movement, it is doomed. This should be regarded as a scandal.

Y'all could have used that time spent protesting for something important like Palestine instead. Just saying.

Glad to hear you're having a lot of fun with PCT! I think this comment I'm quoting sums up a fair part of the issue - look at how dismissive and condescending the rest of it is, trying to objectively declare a different role "boring as hell" that people can play "for whatever reason". It would go a long way for those supporting the strike to simply acknowledge their take is their own personal opinion, rather than having to attack or insult anyone who dares to have fun playing a healer.

I don't see any problems in saying something is boring. You seemed to take it as personal attacks or something.

By the way, every point you're trying to make is your own personal opinion as well. Yours is not objective fact. Yours does not represent the voice of the majority.
You keep avoiding many objective facts provided, while dismissing many points made as personal opinions. We have logs from high end content to normal dungeons, from casual player to hardcore elite players, from player skill usage to enemy casts, from incoming damage inflicted by mechanics, to mitigation distribution. All those data fit the definition of objective facts. People back their argument with solid data, while you have none.

[Supersnow845]

PCT is fantastically well designed class (so well designed I’m surprised it’s in modern 14)

Why would I set there a waste my time spamming 1111111 and letting someone else play PCT when i just let the contrarians do the boring as hell healer and let me play PCT

So yeah if you still wanna play healer for whatever reason I hope you enjoy it, and m having a blast on PCT

[Loggos]

PCT is fantastically well designed class (so well designed I’m surprised it’s in modern 14)

Why would I set there a waste my time spamming 1111111 and letting someone else play PCT when i just let the contrarians do the boring as hell healer and let me play PCT

So yeah if you still wanna play healer for whatever reason I hope you enjoy it, and m having a blast on PCT

I am honestly so positively surprised by picto. It's rotation is really fun and unique. I spend a lot of time just trying things out, finding what I think is a very good/optimal rotation etc. Analysing it was so fun and refreshing.

[Galvuu]

I am honestly so positively surprised by picto. It's rotation is really fun and unique. I spend a lot of time just trying things out, finding what I think is a very good/optimal rotation etc. Analysing it was so fun and refreshing.

The best part about Picto is that, other than the burst window and keeping some stuff on cd, there's no rotation. You can mix and match to suit what's needed.
It's actually a lot like a light version of EW BLM- like, a bit more flexible and easier because you have no dot to manage and no Polyglot clock/AF timer, but it actually is quite enjoyable to play as.
So yea, try that instead of playing healer