7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

[mallleable]

I think they don't even need to fully get rid of Life Surge, just get rid of the damage crit, and make it a flat cure potency off weapon skills delivered. DRG keeps the button, but it would now be removed from the damage rotation. Then bring back triple Nastronds.

[AstralSkye]

I mean it's fine to feel that way, but that's just not how the devs want the game to play. I agree with the devs, not the crybabies on the forums. Also no, I'm not going to make my own thread and let this one become an echo chamber of complaints. Sorry kid.

I think it's crazy work that a thread of 99.9% DRG players has not agreed with a single one of your opinions. All of this coming from a lv92 dragoon who didn't even try the full rotational burst with SC is even crazier.
As I said, WHM is right there. Much more inline with your skill ceiling.

[HikariKurosawa]

I think it's crazy work that a thread of 99.9% DRG players has not agreed with a single one of your opinions. All of this coming from a lv92 dragoon who didn't even try the full rotational burst with SC is even crazier.
As I said, WHM is right there. Much more inline with your skill ceiling.

There are like 10-20 people trying to create an echo chamber of disapproval in this thread. Most people who are happy about the game spend their free time playing it, not whinging on the forums.

Like I said too, it's not about difficulty, it's about how the job feels. This game is not hard. Not at any level of play.

[jonimated]

Most people who are happy about the game spend their free time playing it, not whinging on the forums.

You can't possibly know that. You're just making things up and claiming them as fact to support your unhinged stance. You're being told from all sides here that there is a problem, and you're choosing to stick your fingers in your ears and call it an echo chamber simply because you disagree. It's classic "I'm not crazy everyone else is crazy" behavior and it's honestly embarrassing. You don't even have to take this weird stance. You can simply say you like how it is and move on, but you're choosing to go so much farther by telling everyone else they are wrong. It's pointless attention seeking at it's finest.

On top of all that, what many others have already pointed out, you're offering your opinion on something you currently don't have the full picture of. You're only level 92. You don't have the full kit and the highest level of DT content you could possibly have done at this point is a single dungeon. You're rendering a verdict on book you haven't read yet.

At this point it really seems like you're just saying words that you know. You keep saying things, but haven't backed any of it up. Grow up.

[HikariKurosawa]

You can't possibly know that. You're just making things up and claiming them as fact to support your unhinged stance. You're being told from all sides here that there is a problem, and you're choosing to stick your fingers in your ears and call it an echo chamber simply because you disagree. It's classic "I'm not crazy everyone else is crazy" behavior and it's honestly embarrassing. You don't even have to take this weird stance. You can simply say you like how it is and move on, but you're choosing to go so much farther by telling everyone else they are wrong. It's pointless attention seeking at it's finest.

On top of all that, what many others have already pointed out, you're offering your opinion on something you currently don't have the full picture of. You're only level 92. You don't have the full kit and the highest level of DT content you could possibly have done at this point is a single dungeon. You're rendering a verdict on book you haven't read yet.

At this point it really seems like you're just saying words that you know. You keep saying things, but haven't backed any of it up. Grow up.

Nobody is crazy here, it's just weird that you think your perspective matters.

[ElysiumDragon]

Not a Dragoon main by any means, but someone who's recently grown fond of the job after my main got a bunch of jank added to their kit.

As someone who those changes were probably aimed at, I get WHY the Nastrond changes were made, but they were definitely going to be controversial.

I think it was probably the best of two bad options. I've always found Life Surge to be the more annoying ability to weave in, but it being a form of 'skill expression' would've arguably been the more controversial skill to change or remove.

[primarisgoazrr]

The change is strange, like part of me kinda gets it, for me I had to double weave all the ogcds just to fit burst, which was fine unless my ping was 6ft under. At lvl 100 it does feel so bad honestly, but it’s definitely a bit awkward at lower lvls though. It kinda feels like pre DT Drg where Nastrond had a cooldown, except the other 2 are gone now. In my opinion I think they should give us the 3 Nastronds and give it the Enchanted Moulinet treatment, it’d probably look/feel a bit better that way. They should also repurpose Mirage Dive into a gcd that you can use after 2 or 3 High Jumps, kind of like the old scales or Wrymwind Thrust

[Nikoto]

STOP responding to Hikari.

[HikariKurosawa]

I think the only changes they really should make after all of this are 1) repurpose LIFE surge into a purely defensive skill that is used in response to taking damage, so maybe a dragoon can stay in the fray for non-lethal damage instances and immediately recover a significant portion of hp.

2) make it so mirage dive ready only has like a 10 second duration so optimization is even more streamlined.

Other than that though, dragoon feels pretty perfect now. The only two complaints I have are with life surge and the idea of delaying mirage dive so you can fit two in burst. Janky and unintuitive stuff like that is better left out of the game, lowering the duration of dive ready to like 10 seconds would probably solve the issue.

Low level dragoon is another story, but that's something that can be solved easily. It only really matters starting at level 70 because that's when ultimate raids start, but also dragoon at level 70 is already fun so I don't really get the complaints. Maybe the people complaining should do ultimate raids? Below that just maybe add AoE rotation sooner, I don't think it really matters though. How often are you going to be doing content below level 70 realistically speaking?

[HeavenlyArmed]

Not a Dragoon main by any means, but someone who's recently grown fond of the job after my main got a bunch of jank added to their kit.

As someone who those changes were probably aimed at, I get WHY the Nastrond changes were made, but they were definitely going to be controversial.

I think it was probably the best of two bad options. I've always found Life Surge to be the more annoying ability to weave in, but it being a form of 'skill expression' would've arguably been the more controversial skill to change or remove.

That's kind of why it wasn't my first thought as something to suggest dropping instead, but looking at the other replies at least in this thread, and I've seen it pretty commonly expressed by people in other forums as well, I've gotten the impression at this point that people don't really care for that "skill expression" and would much rather have lost Life Surge, or converted it to not being a damage increase and just being another self-heal, than lost the extra presses of Nastrond.

The change is strange, like part of me kinda gets it, for me I had to double weave all the ogcds just to fit burst, which was fine unless my ping was 6ft under. At lvl 100 it does feel so bad honestly, but it’s definitely a bit awkward at lower lvls though. It kinda feels like pre DT Drg where Nastrond had a cooldown, except the other 2 are gone now. In my opinion I think they should give us the 3 Nastronds and give it the Enchanted Moulinet treatment, it’d probably look/feel a bit better that way. They should also repurpose Mirage Dive into a gcd that you can use after 2 or 3 High Jumps, kind of like the old scales or Wrymwind Thrust

Personally I don't like the idea of adding any GCD that's part of the rotation some of the time but not always. Part of DRG's identity has basically always been that in terms of the GCD rotation it is a set sequence of skills that never changes, even all the way back in ARR when it was HT-IDC-Phleb-TTT-HT-TTT-Phleb-IDC-HT-TTT-Phleb-TTT. But to the larger point of it feeling awkward at lower levels, that's been my point since I started the thread. As someone who does a lot of UCoB and DSR, I would like the job to be fun and engaging at level 70 and level 90, and the three uses of Nastrond did that for me. Now that it's gone, I find myself bored playing the job even in ultimates. Level 70 even if you single-weave everything you run out of OGCDs to press for your burst halfway through your buff timers, which feels deeply unsatisfying.