Thread: 7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

Originally Posted by SomeGuy22

Well yeah, but that one's only for feedback about the support desk itself, for actual game-related suggestions, we're stuck here. Source: the actual game

Wow, my brain has really skipped the support on "support-related" lol

Well after submitting it says it'll be forwarded to the appropriate teams so... /shrug

Since the alteration of the job gauge in Dawntrail, it irked me that Mirage Dive was just... still there. It no longer has a defined use so it's removal wouldn't have impacted many if anyone at all. This change grants players at level 70 a single burst of Nastrond. The change to Nastrond is either an oversight prioritising future job changes rather than the current iteration, based on anecdotal information or misguided attempt at QoL. While I understand the development teams intention of a more homogeneous class design, it can rob players of class identity and overall depth of interest in the class. A busy rotation is not a bad thing or an aspect to be shunned. It can be fun and engaging. Classes have their own appeal with playstyle, fashion and visuals, a busy rotation is what makes Dragoon fun and I would argue an integral part of it. It would be akin to reducing the amount of combinations a Ninja player can do or reducing the mana consumption of Black Mage fire spells. It may provide ease of access to new players and be defined as "QoL" yet paradoxically it provides little for a players retention or to be attracted to in terms of class design. I hope that Nastrond is altered back to its previous iteration of having 3 of them and that the notion that "Busy is bad and should be reduced" is not a universal goal applied to every class.

Originally Posted by Aco505

- Mirage Dive should give a scale when used

Y'know... That's actually an awesome idea? Right now the Jump->Mirage Dive combo feels so disconnected. Giving it a scale would really help it feel like it's part of the rotation again.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

If I already felt it was too busy and disorganized during the burst window at level 92, then introducing starcross would only make it worse.

Dragoon was one of the most straightforward melee jobs to play. I think white mage is more up your alley my guy.

Originally Posted by AstralSkye

Dragoon was one of the most straightforward melee jobs to play. I think white mage is more up your alley my guy.

If you don't like the game's direction, just quit. It's the best thing you can do if you want things to change.

Originally Posted by KaliG

Y'know... That's actually an awesome idea? Right now the Jump->Mirage Dive combo feels so disconnected. Giving it a scale would really help it feel like it's part of the rotation again.

While it really doesn't have much to do with the overall problem, I actually also love this idea. I do forsee a concern around it only exacerbating the "there's too much weaving" complaint because it'd in many cases create an extra Wyrmwind usage in burst windows, but it would be a genuine improvement to the cohesiveness of the job and I think it's worth putting forward while we're talking about the overall design direction of DRG. Still, the weave concern would be there, so there's a decent chance we would either lose something else if they did take this into consideration, or at least not gain back our Nastronds, which means we would still have problems with the job being very dull at levels before we have access to Wyrmwind. Basically, it's a generally good idea, but won't necessarily help up resolve the current main problem.

Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed

While it really doesn't have much to do with the overall problem, I actually also love this idea. I do forsee a concern around it only exacerbating the "there's too much weaving" complaint because it'd in many cases create an extra Wyrmwind usage in burst windows, but it would be a genuine improvement to the cohesiveness of the job and I think it's worth putting forward while we're talking about the overall design direction of DRG. Still, the weave concern would be there, so there's a decent chance we would either lose something else if they did take this into consideration, or at least not gain back our Nastronds, which means we would still have problems with the job being very dull at levels before we have access to Wyrmwind. Basically, it's a generally good idea, but won't necessarily help up resolve the current main problem.

By reworking Life Surge into a weaponskill, you save the same amount of weaves as the removal of the NAS charges.

Plus, if more actions gave scales, then it'd be logical to raise the maximum amount of scales to 3 while keeping the cost of WWT at 2. In fact, WWT could consume all scales on use, dealing the damage it does now with 2 scales or 50% more potency with 3. And this kind of changes would make sure that you never use more than two WWTs per burst while also providing flexibility and management with our remaining gauge element.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

If you don't like the game's direction, just quit. It's the best thing you can do if you want things to change.

This line of thinking is braindead. If everyone who was unhappy with the game direction left, and all you had left were people who were fine with it, then nothing would change. SE would have no reason to make changes for a player base who didn't want anything to change.

Originally Posted by Aco505

By reworking Life Surge into a weaponskill, you save the same amount of weaves as the removal of the NAS charges.

Plus, if more actions gave scales, then it'd be logical to raise the maximum amount of scales to 3 while keeping the cost of WWT at 2. In fact, WWT could consume all scales on use, dealing the damage it does now with 2 scales or 50% more potency with 3. And this kind of changes would make sure that you never use more than two WWTs per burst while also providing flexibility and management with our remaining gauge element.

Not a fan of making a defensive tool a GCD as this usually means it never gets used due to losing dps. It really should stay off GCD if kept, alterantively it could also be a trait (life leach and crits on drakesbane during life of the dragon for example)