#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Sharawiwi]

Is this is why healers are walling savage PFs by being the ones failing mechs the most?

No, but this is serious observation. I think this is caused by stark jump of difficulty between casual and endgame content and healer role attracting more weaker players than others for some reason.

The latter makes no sense because healer role is actually hardest one since there is no room for error - you have to press correct healing buttons while doing mechs, while dps/tanks most likely just make rotation mistakes instead or drop mits (which shift the problem to the healers).

So what we have now is in M2S MT dying to boss auto attacks during the bee dodge mech mess since healers are moving constantly and being overwhelmed by the mech

This is a survivor bias, because if one healer fails, or both, it causes a wipe in most savage party running double melee + pct/smn + pranged (lmao at not running double caster this expansion but that's another debate), so you tend to notice it a lot more.
And it's a direct consequence of the brain drain from the oversimplification and casualisation of every healer job, players that before felt healing was "too complicated" or "intidimating" now have 4 different looking WHM they can play excessively poorly and still clear (after 500 pulls), players that were before contained to EXs and/or playing WAR/SMN/RPR/DNC (no offense about the jobs, but they definitely attract the more "laid back" players because they are the simplest ones for each role).

And you can thank SE for it ! Everyone must be able to play every job in every content (this wouldn't be a problem if this was a single player game, or even just a story driven one, but you can't have this and also competitivity, maybe they wanna get rid of it totally) !

(if bait good job)

[EusisLandale]

Krasis+Haima is already a single target tank LB equivalent and it's available at least 1 from 2 wall pulls. Throw a mandatory Kerachole, then you're set for the rest of the pull with Kardia doing the rest of your work---or don't, you probably don't need that 'regen' at all lol.

Krasis doesn't really do anything for Haima, unless the latter falls off while still boosted.

Better to just use it prepull fishing for a good Eukrasian Diagnosis crit, since that'll cover roughly 50% of a tank's HP if you land it.

[Supersnow845]

Krasis doesn't really do anything for Haima, unless the latter falls off while still boosted.

Better to just use it prepull fishing for a good Eukrasian Diagnosis crit, since that'll cover roughly 50% of a tank's HP if you land it.

It buffs all 5 shields by 20%, that’s an extra 300 potency, that’s worth more than buffing even a crit e diagnosis with krasis because all 5 shields will be buffed by krasis

[WaxSw]

Krasis doesn't really do anything for Haima, unless the latter falls off while still boosted.

Better to just use it prepull fishing for a good Eukrasian Diagnosis crit, since that'll cover roughly 50% of a tank's HP if you land it.

Krasis DOES affect Haima, the potency of each layer is small so its hard to see but the total gain is higher:



Also for the prepull don't just throw an Eukrasian Diagnosis, Sage is not Sch, you can't deploy it and auto attack damage is not high enough to deserve that. Use Eukrasian Prognosis to shield for the raidwide that will come in 99% of the fights instead and use Krasis for when the tank really needs it to avoid a GCD heal

[EusisLandale]

Also for the prepull don't just throw an Eukrasian Diagnosis, Sage is not Sch, you can't deploy it and auto attack damage is not high enough to deserve that. Use Eukrasian Prognosis to shield for the raidwide that will come in 99% of the fights instead and use Krasis for when the tank really needs it to avoid a GCD heal

A little reminder on what started this. Talk of trash.

plus most tanks are still pulling everything and that's generally at least a solid minute of spiking damage before enough adds die for you to relax.

Before reaching trash: Krasis + Eukrasian Diagnosis until crit, pull, or 4th cast
On pull: Toxikon once
Reaching pack 1: Eukrasian Dyskrasia, then Dyskrasia spam
Stopping at pack 2: Panhaima/Haima + Kerachole, E. Dyskrasia again, Dyskrasia until party buffs go out if there are any otherwise skip to next step, full Toxikon, Phlegma, & Psyche dump, Physis+Taurochole once Kerachole wears off, Pneuma, Dyskrasia spam, Kerachole again once Taurochole falls off

This is every single trash pull this expansion, with the exception of maybe the Calcabrina miniboss if the group's DPS has been low to mid, in which case Panhaima just gets held until the double Slapstick spam. Never mind relaxing, I could theoretically find a way to automate this and nobody would know the difference.

You're not going to need to shield against a raidwide on trash. I'm quite aware the procedure is different for the bosses themselves.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Krasis doesn't really do anything for Haima, unless the latter falls off while still boosted.
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Better to just use it prepull fishing for a good Eukrasian Diagnosis crit, since that'll cover roughly 50% of a tank's HP if you land it.

For posterity, I drew a line and made sure both pics are pixel perfect aligned.



Additionally, like much other abilities, the value do snapshots at the time of appliance. So even if your Krasis is already gone, so long the Haima was applied while it was active, the expiration heal will also get boosted later on:

[EusisLandale]

For posterity, I drew a line and made sure both pics are pixel perfect aligned.

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Additionally, like much other abilities, the value do snapshots at the time of appliance. So even if your Krasis is already gone, so long the Haima was applied while it was active, the expiration heal will also get boosted later on:
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Just matching mine like yours, top one was one pixel over to the right on the top before. The shields are a perfect match on my end.
I don't know if it's just some stupid timing shenanigans screwing me over, which would not surprise me in the least, but I can not replicate getting the shield past the box. Nor can I get the heal to be boosted. It's consistently ending up ~35k, only reaching over 40 if I make sure to delay Krasis until it'll still be on when Haima drops.

It buffs all 5 shields by 20%, that’s an extra 300 potency, that’s worth more than buffing even a crit e diagnosis with krasis because all 5 shields will be buffed by krasis

It should be 6 shields and 360 potency total? The first one, then the 5 Haimatinon backups as each Haima breaks. Or are you saying you only see it buff the backup shields?

All that aside, at most it'd just adjust my prepull timing to not give time to fish. Boost E.Diagnosis by however much luck feels like giving me on top of maybe boosting Haima since it shouldn't take 10 seconds to get from pack 1 to 2. Nothing really changes about the fact that there's basically zero stress on trash, which was the start of all this in the first place.

[Ramiee]

Is this is why healers are walling savage PFs by being the ones failing mechs the most?

No, but this is serious observation. I think this is caused by stark jump of difficulty between casual and endgame content and healer role attracting more weaker players than others for some reason.

The latter makes no sense because healer role is actually hardest one since there is no room for error - you have to press correct healing buttons while doing mechs, while dps/tanks most likely just make rotation mistakes instead or drop mits (which shift the problem to the healers).

So what we have now is in M2S MT dying to boss auto attacks during the bee dodge mech mess since healers are moving constantly and being overwhelmed by the mech

Yeah savage healers are getting ahead of themselves they need to wait like 2 more weeks until everyone is geared until they can just play RuneScape.

[MrSigy]

@EusisLandale careful.
Both krasis and physis affect both gcd and ogcd, the wording is healing actions (arrow, asylum and protraction have exactly the same wording).
Zoe and Philosophia affect only gcd heals, the wording is healing magic potency.
This is also why philosophia is such a bad lvl 100 ability.

Like everything haima snapshots on application.

Base
300 * n + 150 * n
Krasis
360 * n + 180 * n
Krasis and Physis
390 * n + 195 * n

Where n is haimatinon stacks left.
Example: Ignore the crit heals, all healing actions buffs were not active when effect expired.


Would you care in a dungeon? no.
Do you care currently in savage? no. I have been keeping haima for players that missed heals or got hit by something they shouldn't.
This is minmaxing territory.
Saying that the healing action buff needs to active when the heal happens is either lacking information or misinformation and not accurate.

[Ramiee]

Has double regen healer ever been a meta for a fight? because i remember for p3s double shield was the meta.