#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Lorika]

Maybe a bad one that never uses their melee combo lol

No Fencing No Roses... what a waste ^^

[Retsu90]

[QUOTE=LyraShu;6571532]Yes, it is nicer and generally more productive to talk about differences of opinions rather then just "you are wrong". Thank you for the discussion!

-I believe this stems from the fact that you can keep a party healthy with liberal use of abilities from various jobs without healer interaction. While I am more then ok with other jobs getting heals/mits/abilities I do think that it breaks down the trinity to allow for jobs to do what a healer does fully.
And? Healers can solo MP content. I've done it as WHM. Should healers lose their DPS capabilities?

-I can get how you would arrive at that conclusion based on your first point, but again more then ok with other jobs having abilities. What I want is to not fall asleep between Ogcd buttons from spamming 1. And no, I press more Ogcd's as a summoner then I do a healer because of the nature of that job, so examples can be pulled from anywhere for that. Really, this stems from the fact that we press 2 buttons, with a 3rd every 60 seconds now, when healing on a large part. I have even read posts where people have to replace, you guessed it, the number 1 key on their keyboard from pressing too many times while healing.
That's you. Picto players aren't complaining about Picto rotations. Even more braindead rotations than Viper.

-I mean, they do and they don't. Barrier healers need to pre prep for large party mechanics while pure healers mostly fix the aftermath. Just a quick and dirty example but the gameplay difference is there. With this being said, I do agree with you on the larger part though. Jobs feel kind of the same with eachother and tbh I wish they had more individuality but I still have fun with it
Bottom line, they heal. There's variation with how everyone plays their roles, but that has nothing to do with the Job itself.

-I think I am confused here if I am being honest. There is some strong self-sustain out there. I mean, I have warrior friends that actively tell me not to heal them during wall2wall pulls. With that being said, I don't want jobs like tanks to lose their cool abilities because that is literally their job is to tank hits so I feel like this kind of discussion helps for sure.
Maybe if you have 2 healers for Savage content. But even a WHM's MedicaII + Regen is rarely going to scratch even a fifth of a tank's HP. The average Tank pulls trash mobs and is down to 20% within the first 5 seconds.

-Go run dungeons without a tank and then tell me player error. This is an MMORPG, lets be a party. If you wanted a single player game, then please check them out cause there are some cool ones that let you feel like the lone wolf hero.
I have. I solo better as a WHM than WAR. I have a reason for believing what I believe. Role tribalism is ridiculous to me. That's why I roulette as a Healer mainly to spite these simpletons.

[Retsu90]

Maybe a bad one that never uses their melee combo lol

I'm popping off Triple Resolutions as my opener at about every boss.

[Talianore]

Thank you for bumping the thread - it's much appreciated!

[Azurarok]

I'm popping off Triple Resolutions as my opener at about every boss.

You mean using Manafication and doing the melee combo all the way through Resolution in the opener.

If you do indeed use the melee combo and utilize doublecasting and the backflip/gapcloser I'm not sure how you find them still the same as BLM SMN PCT, unless you mean just the core concept of "being forced to be stationary with casting and managing mobility resources" being shared across the role (which even that's barely done by SMN now).

[Lorika]

I'm popping off Triple Resolutions as my opener at about every boss.

You shouldn't.

You mean using Manafication and doing the melee combo all the way through Resolution in the opener.

It's mean that the gauge was overcapped before the boss fight.
It's mean she wasn't using any Melee combo during trash mobs pull... Which is bad and gimping the overall DPS output of the team.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

-And? Healers can solo MP content. I've done it as WHM. Should healers lose their DPS capabilities?

What's "MP Content"?

That's you. Picto players aren't complaining about Picto rotations. Even more braindead rotations than Viper.

??? A "melee SMN" is deemed more brainpower exhaustive than a Picto?

Maybe if you have 2 healers for Savage content. But even a WHM's MedicaII + Regen is rarely going to scratch even a fifth of a tank's HP. The average Tank pulls trash mobs and is down to 20% within the first 5 seconds.

Reading this, you're either exaggerating or the tank in question has a paper gear on them.

I have. I solo better as a WHM than WAR. I have a reason for believing what I believe. Role tribalism is ridiculous to me. That's why I roulette as a Healer mainly to spite these simpletons.

The game literally marketed to be a trinity role game. It's totally valid for people to request for said trinity aspect to be adhered more properly. Thinking that very aspect ridiculous in a trinity role game is even odder. You do you. Although something doesn't seem to add up quite well there.

EDIT:

Saying this as a RDM is wild. Casters are probably the 1 role that play very differently from one another.

How? The only difference is positionals.

Actually yea, nvm lol. Carry on. Thanks for the bump tho :P

[LyraShu]

And? Healers can solo MP content. I've done it as WHM. Should healers lose their DPS capabilities?

U...uhh? I think you just took what I said and took a left turn with it. I didn't question your abilities, though the fact that you are defending yourself when I haven't said anything is now out there, I did say that I think that a party shouldn't be able to fully and reliably heal up after every mechanic without a healer.

That's you. Picto players aren't complaining about Picto rotations. Even more braindead rotations than Viper.

T..that's me? I mean, if I did have to replace parts I would have claimed that. I'm sure with a little google search you could find the same kind of postings. And I actually quite like the VPR and PCT for the combos and variation in abilities respectfully. Now take the entire of VPR combos and put it into 2 buttons with a 3rd that refreshes every 60 seconds and you are getting closer to current healer gameplay.

Bottom line, they heal. There's variation with how everyone plays their roles, but that has nothing to do with the Job itself.

That's like saying a NIN playing like a SMN bc they are DPS :/ Yes, both jobs are a healer and I do agree that they are taking away individuality in jobs, but I don't think that you can oversimplify it to this point.

Maybe if you have 2 healers for Savage content. But even a WHM's MedicaII + Regen is rarely going to scratch even a fifth of a tank's HP. The average Tank pulls trash mobs and is down to 20% within the first 5 seconds.

. . .What are you trying to say here? I had said that there is strong self-sustain and that I am told not to heal the people with that sustain, are you saying that I should join Savage content so I can actually heal? Interesting

I have. I solo better as a WHM than WAR. I have a reason for believing what I believe. Role tribalism is ridiculous to me. That's why I roulette as a Healer mainly to spite these simpletons.

I am sorry but I am calling this out a bit. You won't be able to run synced content solo as a WHM, but you can find videos of a warrior doing that. Hell, there is a forum right now about tanks holding trials hostage synced because they refuse to die.

[Connor]

You shouldn't.

It's mean that the gauge was overcapped before the boss fight.
It's mean she wasn't using any Melee combo during trash mobs pull... Which is bad and gimping the overall DPS output of the team.

I was genuinely that meme of the woman surrounded by mathematical formula, trying to work if there was some secret mana maths I hadn’t noticed that let you do a third Resolution somehow.

…but yeah, not using Moulinet on trash would do it lol

[Azurarok]

It's mean that the gauge was overcapped before the boss fight.
It's mean she wasn't using any Melee combo during trash mobs pull... Which is bad and gimping the overall DPS output of the team.

Ah right. Well you can pull that off without overcapping on mana if you start the boss with like 84|62 or 73|73 mana now.