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  1. #7811
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    You want proof how about this then from the statements regarding job adjustments before 7.01 dropped. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...6321a515d36909

    While it was our aim to preserve monk’s playstyle from the Patch 6.x series, several changes to their core abilities─stacks of Fury chief among them─have significantly changed how it feels to play the job.
    We discovered certain actions had incorrect potencies, as well as an error pertaining to the requirements to apply stacks of Fury. We plan to address these issues in Patch 7.01, which should result in improved effectiveness of area-of-effect attacks. This will also necessitate minor adjustments to the job HUD. My apologies again for monk’s inadequate performance, which presently differs from what we previously announced.
    Before learning the action Umbral Soul, black mage has difficulty recovering MP. We plan to address this with adjustments in Patch 7.01, with plans to make further adjustments to action potencies in Patch 7.05.
    an issue compounded by the removal of damage from dark knight and gunbreaker movement abilities.
    Edit: yes they did fix these in 7.01 but the issue stands that two issues in particular, mnk aoe and black mage new mp regen on level prior 76. This didn't catch their issue.
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  2. #7812
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamLeens View Post
    Hello Aravell. I didnt know you had more than one account. It's nice that you found more than just "history" to justify your statements.
    You just lost all credibility the moment you stooped down to "Everyone who disagrees with me are alts of the same person".

    How about you do your own research instead of hounding other people to do it for you, eh? It's not like you'll listen to other people anyway, since everyone who disagrees with you is the same person.
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  3. #7813
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    How do we know? BECAUSE WE WERE THERE. And why does SHB matter? BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED HEALERS SINCE SHB.

    Go troll somewhere else.
    Well, i was there too, by the way. It's not like it happened 90 years ago and only a few witnesses to the events are still alive.

    Isn't it ironic that i show serious interest, ask for facts and then get called a troll?!

    This reaction tells me that this is not a serious discussion, but a bubble in which only negative statements can be communicated.
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  4. #7814
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    > "I show serious interest"
    > Gets a serious answer by someone.
    > "Oh hi, you must be the same person because there's no way 2 people would disagree with me"

    What a joke.
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  5. #7815
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamLeens View Post
    1) that doesnt confirm that they "never tested any of the changes".
    On this specifically, I think there is a point to be made about testing in that if SE did test it they really screwed it up with having jobs that were MP negative. Other issues we have seen are with little things like the 7.0 MNK launch having potency issues, DRK and GNB gap closers having no enmity when they removed potency, when SE buffed Glare in EW and made Afflatus Misery a DPS loss. It's just a concerning trend that SE is missing pretty obvious things that you would notice either through reading tooltips or testing it for a little bit.
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  6. #7816
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    You just lost all credibility the moment you stooped down to "Everyone who disagrees with me are alts of the same person".

    How about you do your own research instead of hounding other people to do it for you, eh? It's not like you'll listen to other people anyway, since everyone who disagrees with you is the same person.
    are we on the same forum? i mean it's really funny. i'm talking to you and then someone else is giving me the answers i expected from you. so i named them "aravell". and i still find it funny that someone feels like they almost have to speak on your behalf because you didn't say anything.

    The sad thing is that, in addition to the technical aspect, you are also accusing Square Enix employees of things that you can't even justify.
    You just make claims without any basis and when asked for more information, you change the subject or look for another reason to end the conversation.

    These are real, living people that you are talking nonsense about.
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    Last edited by SamLeens; 07-29-2024 at 03:30 PM.

  7. #7817
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    > "I show serious interest"
    > Gets a serious answer by someone.
    > "Oh hi, you must be the same person because there's no way 2 people would disagree with me"

    What a joke.
    Where does the logic come from that i react like this when someone "doesn't agree with me"? Please don't judge others based on yourself.
    The person answered the questions to YOU. That's not even a difference of opinion, that's called a conversation.
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  8. #7818
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamLeens View Post
    are we on the same forum? i mean it's really funny. i'm talking to you and then someone else is giving me the answers i expected from you. so i named them "aravell". and i still find it funny that someone feels like they almost have to speak on your behalf because you didn't say anything.

    The sad thing is that, in addition to the technical aspect, you are also accusing Square Enix employees of things that you can't even justify.
    You just make claims without any basis and when asked for more information, you change the subject or look for another reason to end the conversation.

    These are real, living people that you are talking nonsense about.
    Real, living people that made mistakes. Mistakes which they admitted to. You would know this if you played the jobs when they were broken and if you read the patch notes.

    Being human does not absolve someone of criticism. I also never said anything bad about the employees, I only said they're fine with releasing things in a broken state, which is a statement of fact, not an insult.

    You should stop holding the dev team above criticism when you seem clearly ignorant of all the mistakes they've made and admitted to making.

    That's why I brought up history btw, not to deflect or whatever you accused me of. The dev team has a clear history of making very bad changes with little thought about how it affects everything else, they've even apologised for some. Like how removing ED from SCH broke their resource generation and removing Hagakure broke SAM's loop. You can't seriously tell me those 2 changes were well thought out, considering thar they broke the job's gameplay loop.

    Also, your little joke is unamusing, I didn't respond to you immediately because i have a life to live outside of the forum.
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    Last edited by Aravell; 07-29-2024 at 03:46 PM.

  9. #7819
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdtuggey View Post
    I feel like that should be celebrated as an achievement ?
    Creates player perception and player perception is the hardest to balance jobs for. The game doesn't really need reasons to break intended compositions for real or perceived gains to then sprouts asking which job they should pick when moving after free trial because they are white mage and healers aren't used in whatever streamer, static they are fans of.
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  10. #7820
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amenara View Post
    On this specifically, I think there is a point to be made about testing in that if SE did test it they really screwed it up with having jobs that were MP negative. Other issues we have seen are with little things like the 7.0 MNK launch having potency issues, DRK and GNB gap closers having no enmity when they removed potency, when SE buffed Glare in EW and made Afflatus Misery a DPS loss. It's just a concerning trend that SE is missing pretty obvious things that you would notice either through reading tooltips or testing it for a little bit.
    I can completely understand what you are saying. I accept and agree 100%. Something has gone very wrong.

    For me, there is just a big difference between saying "they never tested any of the changes" without providing any more facts, or saying "they screwed up somewhere, look into it" and then facts follow.

    Thanks for the clarification.
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