#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Punslinger]

Bevause(sic) healers damage isn't an issue so there's no need to fix it. What a healer should do is heal. Not dps.

What a tank should do is tank, not DPS or heal. So delete all self-sustain from tanks and cut all damage buttons except for one spammable attack and one DoT. Cut GNB's rotation back to just Keen Edge, over and over and over. If tanks are allowed to have DPS rotations beyond just pressing 1111111, then they might fail and forget to mitigate a tankbuster, and it would make tanks too complex and all the lil' babby casuals would abandon the role, and nobody would ever clear content ever again, ever. Tanks must be made piss-easy to play, because what a tank should do is tank, not DPS or heal.

It's the exact same logic, yet none of you Sylphies have any answer for it when it's pointed out.

Also, refuted previously here.

If they added dps 123 for healer then theyde just be green dps. Instead we should be aiming to make healing better so that theyre not just standing around 11111 spamming. If u just make them a green dps savage and ex could wind up being to hard. Not to mention the casual 99% will quit the role

Tanks are Blue DPS already, but I don't see you complaining that this made "savage and ex too hard" or that "99% of casuals will quit the role." Your join date is 2023. So you clearly missed the ARR and HW era of healers having more complex DPS kits, and far fewer healing tools, than they do now, and yet, "99% of casuals" did not quit the role. They did just fine and things got cleared.

It's utterly hilarious watching you anti-strikers trying to gaslight us into believing that we didn't actually experience the things we experienced a decade ago. I healed in ARR and HW, and yes, as a casual healer who never set foot in anything beyond EXs. Did you?

The dps heals? Rangers and casters don't have that tho. Only melee and bloodbath.

Really? Because I'm a DNC main now, and I'm reasonably certain that I have Curing Waltz, Improvisation, and Second Wind on my hotbars. I also have Shield Samba if we want to get into mitigation tools. And also, potions are a thing.

There's also this job called RDM, maybe you've heard of it? Spammable Vercure? The best rezzer in the game because of Dualcast?

no they dont have the right to have as much fun as anyone else if all theyre going to do is throw a tantrum

Translated: "Stop being so uppity and get back to the cotton fields healer queues!"

[BunnyQueen]

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Just ignore sindriiisgaming they have proven they don't want to listen to the issues of healers.

[Supersnow845]

You heard it here first folks, anytime the healer has to leave mid dungeon it’s instantly the fault of the healer strike

The lengths people will go to to do anything besides actually engage with our arguments is impressive at this point

[Rolder50]

I had a tank collect 5 vuln stacks, die, then leave in an expert roulette earlier. Clearly all tanks are evil and they deserve to be nerfed.

[Jojoya]

First of all, it isn't Square's game. Yes, I realize that they own the rights to it, however just as I do not own a single pixel, neither does any developer own anything, regardless of how much blood, sweat and tears they put into their work. If people don't sub, all of their work is moot.

Secondly, I don't find it productive to accuse people of hypocrisy. Neither you nor I know who would be happy with future changes, I find those people who make a effort to discuss and propose changes , and invest their time to try to find common ground, to have a much more positive and productive attitude.

I never said don't provide feedback and suggestions.

I said we need to learn acceptance that we're not always going to get what we want.

As for it not being SE's game, sorry but it is. They own the game. They make the game they want to make. They can choose to listen to and implement feedback they receive, or they can choose to ignore it. They're not going to lose all the current subscribers over this because most players don't have a stake in this strike and find it more humorous than convincing.

Some of us originally came into the thread to try to discuss the problems and find common ground but got ridiculed because we didn't agree with everything the strikers said. Most gave up since the strikers were not interested in having that productive conversation you envision. The strikers themselves aren't even unified regarding what change is needed. There may be no common ground in this situation because not even the strikers have managed to find one beyond agreement they don't like the state of healing.

So can the strikers accept that even among themselves not everyone will be pleased by whatever the outcome is? That there's a strong chance that none of them will end up pleased because SE will stick to the status quo if what the posters from the JP forums said earlier in the thread was accurate about JP players being fine with healing how it is?

[BunnyQueen]

I never said don't provide feedback and suggestions.

I said we need to learn acceptance that we're not always going to get what we want.

As for it not being SE's game, sorry but it is. They own the game. They make the game they want to make. They can choose to listen to and implement feedback they receive, or they can choose to ignore it. They're not going to lose all the current subscribers over this because most players don't have a stake in this strike and find it more humorous than convincing.

Some of us originally came into the thread to try to discuss the problems and find common ground but got ridiculed because we didn't agree with everything the strikers said. Most gave up since the strikers were not interested in having that productive conversation you envision. The strikers themselves aren't even unified regarding what change is needed. There may be no common ground in this situation because not even the strikers have managed to find one beyond agreement they don't like the state of healing.

So can the strikers accept that even among themselves not everyone will be pleased by whatever the outcome is? That there's a strong chance that none of them will end up pleased because SE will stick to the status quo if what the posters from the JP forums said earlier in the thread was accurate about JP players being fine with healing how it is?

The strike has 2 fronts, those who want more damage buttons and the one who wants to heal more.

[Saraide]

It's unfortunate there arent something like 4 different healer jobs within the role that all could work differently, accommodating different prefered playstyles.

[Asari5]

The strike has 2 fronts, those who want more damage buttons and the one who wants to heal more.

and yet neither of them are wrong. having more to heal is obviously the better solution because we're talking about healers... but we are on lvl 100 now. you cant change all that content. you can change new content AND give a few more dmg buttons... i think thats reasonable

also, there will always be weaker player. groupmitigation and dps healingskills will help them, but you cant just make it unreasonably hard in casual content. a few more dmg skills will give the better players more things to do.

[BunnyQueen]

and yet neither of them are wrong. having more to heal is obvious the better solution... but we are on lvl 100 now. you cant change all that content. you can change new content AND give a few more dmg buttons... i think thats reasonable

I would love for healers to be able to heal me more often, I support both sides of it myself. If they go back and make it so healers can heal more often that would be amazing but it would take a lot of time and effort, but I can hope.

[Supersnow845]

I never said don't provide feedback and suggestions.

I said we need to learn acceptance that we're not always going to get what we want.

As for it not being SE's game, sorry but it is. They own the game. They make the game they want to make. They can choose to listen to and implement feedback they receive, or they can choose to ignore it. They're not going to lose all the current subscribers over this because most players don't have a stake in this strike and find it more humorous than convincing.

Some of us originally came into the thread to try to discuss the problems and find common ground but got ridiculed because we didn't agree with everything the strikers said. Most gave up since the strikers were not interested in having that productive conversation you envision. The strikers themselves aren't even unified regarding what change is needed. There may be no common ground in this situation because not even the strikers have managed to find one beyond agreement they don't like the state of healing.

So can the strikers accept that even among themselves not everyone will be pleased by whatever the outcome is? That there's a strong chance that none of them will end up pleased because SE will stick to the status quo if what the posters from the JP forums said earlier in the thread was accurate about JP players being fine with healing how it is?

Two points on this

1) if we have to accept that we may not get everything we want “because it’s squares game” what does you coming in here and saying that add to the discussion. This is the problem I have with people like you and striker (I don’t mean that in a weird way I just can’t phrase it any better)- what does you “policing” other people’s feedback on here actually achieve. When I see feedback I disagree with or am ambivalent on on a topic I haven’t engaged with before I just leave the topic well enough alone

2) you can’t say “we tried to find common ground and the strikers shouted us down” when the vast majority of the posts from new people who oppose the strike amount to “you idiots should be ignored”, when was the last time someone opened a post with “hey Supersnow you said for example you could delete fey blessing to replace it with miasma but fey blessing has a good use in x situation and I don’t believe a non interactive DOT is worth that loss”. Nobody will engage with our arguments. The last 4 people who posted for the first time here spat vitriol in their opening posts then got defensive when we hit back then people like you come in and say “see the strikers are so toxic”

WHY WILL YOU NOT ENGAGE WITH OUR POINTS (general you not you specifically) I’m tired of being called a toxic raider and a pathetic casual, just engage with my arguments