#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Saraide]

What's this about goal posts moving? How is this relevant? For the first time in a long time I see wider acknowledgement in the community that healer design is actually very bad. That's good. Until now this was basically just something a few cranky healers talked about on this forum. In this thread I am seeing a lot of tone policing about how it's not a literal strike by a literal union and I wonder about that aswell how it is relevant. If your biggest concern is the word strike being used incorrectly then I wish I had your problems.

[Capstone]

Why is it difficult to accept there are multiple issues with healers. And the issues individual people focus on are what is most important for getting their own enjoyment out of the game. From what I've seen people supporting the strike have been quite open about that.

And the last time I've seen a reaction to someone claiming the strike is moving goalposts was my own. And that was very very very far from what you're claiming. That was against someone that argued that the strike couldn't be a success if it didn't disrupt the game. And the idea that the strike has to disrupt the game has mostly been promoted by people opposing the strike. If you look through the whole thread I am sure you can find 1 or 2 people who support the strike and also think it has to disrupt the game, but that was certainly not a consensus. So disagreeing with that, is not moving goalposts.

Dawg half the conversation in this thread at this point boil down to "I don't agree with this, here's my perspective" followed by a dog pile of "Irrelevant. Uninformed. Read the OP." It's tiring. It's not possible to have a discussion about a dissenting opinion because it rapidly degrades into goalpost moving. Call it whatever you want to.

The state of healers is what it is because it is exactly what the community asked for. Being mad about those consequences makes me roll my eyes. I look forward to being again told that that's irrelevant or off-topic.

[LilyPendragon]

This interview does not make you healerstrike peeps look good at all. https://youtu.be/4_NsNMEAdPo?si=_OulG9xLb7GaYjFa as someone who likes to heal on the side having mechanics with every boss or at least most should have engaging moments with healers.

I dunno. I think healers going on strike is kinda dumb, mostly because it won't achieve anything, but their actual takes were fairly reasonable.

[Ayer2015]

I don't see what's so difficult to understand. Healers need more engaging dps play when content doesn't require substantial healing. Its absurd to expect dungeon roulettes to be so difficult that they will require high healing up time. That said, there is no reason healers should be limited to such a mind numbingly boring dps rotation when healing requirements are low.

This isn't a complex issue, its a poor development choice that FF14 devs have doubled down on for years.

[Dubont]

Got a TL;DR because I'm not going to watch a 2 hour video about someone quite possibly misrepresenting the issue...

"Someone misrepresenting the issue"

you mean the people that started the strike? Because that's who is being interviewed

[OliviaLugria]

Dawg half the conversation in this thread at this point boil down to "I don't agree with this, here's my perspective" followed by a dog pile of "Irrelevant. Uninformed. Read the OP." It's tiring. It's not possible to have a discussion about a dissenting opinion because it rapidly degrades into goalpost moving. Call it whatever you want to.

The state of healers is what it is because it is exactly what the community asked for. Being mad about those consequences makes me roll my eyes. I look forward to being again told that that's irrelevant or off-topic.

My understanding is that a movement can have multiple goals, and a movement can be considered a success even if it doesn't meet all of its goals.

I'm very happy with out progress. One of our grievances was not feeling heard, we now feel more heard. That's great! I would like to continue even further now.

I'm just uncertain of this "community" that everyone speaks about... People on the fourms? Apparently, no matter how big a group is on the fourm it's to small to make a difference.

It's not like the people playing the game like the role. The largest majority are playing dps.

Content creators? They seem split on the issue. Xeno has some things he agrees with, zepla mentioned that healers have a point, Cole also similar stated that he wants a bit more. It's fine to think the strike is stupid while still agreeing with our arguments.

From my perspective, it's a vocal minority that got them changed in the first place and now a vocal minority are fed up and want them to change it back.

I think if they split the healers into 2 groups, everyone could be happy, but instead they go all in on one design that happens to suck in a majority of content.

[Dubont]

Citation needed.

Check out the creation dates for a lot of these accounts. Most of them that are "striking" are 2-4 years old, many are less than that. Now you go to the actual game and the healers letting people die are the ones trying to dps, not focusing mechanics, not healing at all, bad gear, sprout, etc.

[GoodPerson]

Check out the creation dates for a lot of these accounts. Most of them that are "striking" are 2-4 years old, many are less than that. Now you go to the actual game and the healers letting people die are the ones trying to dps, not focusing mechanics, not healing at all, bad gear, sprout, etc.

Forum account creation date =/= date of play, theyre sadly seperate. I, for example, have been playing since around HW on and off, and didnt have much of a strong desire to engage with the forms until about recently, mostly because i saw this thread and decided to interact with it because i agree with the points here.

[Akava]

Check out the creation dates for a lot of these accounts. Most of them that are "striking" are 2-4 years old, many are less than that. Now you go to the actual game and the healers letting people die are the ones trying to dps, not focusing mechanics, not healing at all, bad gear, sprout, etc.

"Join Date" is simply the date the person created their forum account.

I'm also someone who has historically played a healer in many games, started as a healer in this one and over time have found the general focus on babying healers as if they are incapable of healing and handling mechanics at the same time infuriating. I fully support this strike and think its already been successful in many regards. There's no way the dev team is not aware of current healer frustrations and that's a step in the right direction. Only time will tell if meaningful changes will be implemented.

[GoodPerson]

And suprising no one the inclusive and loving community turns out to actually be toxic to anyone who doesn't completely conform to it.

It's wild how true this is, even outside of the context of this thread.

I've often voiced general critiques about Xiv as , I love the game, concept, etc etc and genuinely just wish it to be better than the best MMO on the market. And having played pretty much every modern mmo, it gives insight as to what Xiv really does well in, and what it really drops the ball with. A common point is gameplay and class identity/class depth. Once, I mentioned a generic critique like "Bard/Dnc really should be more than 12[proc fish] as a gameplay loop. They should really lean more into step/technical step as a class fantasy because I think it could create far more exciting gameplay moments in-between 1-2 spam. Maybe unique effects depending on the order of steps input similar to ninja, that showcases actual choreography." For most normal people that have a normal relationship with XIV, they either agree or disagree, and usually theres some discussion. With what feels like most XIV fans however, they take it as if I personally insulted their mother and its just so abnormal.

This ties into this thread because THIS thread is bringing in people that don't care or think its stupid (valid), but then some decide to try and derail or be antagonistic with stupid comments like "Touch grass" as if they're not spending 13$/m themself to watch pixels move around for a few hours a day . Its just a hobby that I, and many people are passionate about. And just like we are commenting healers feel awful, I too would agree/disagree about a topic and acknowledge someone going and making a thread over a general consensus like "Hey, SMN feels really bad atm because of xyz" , or just not interact, like a normal person would because this is the game ALL of us play together, for better or for worse.

Not stick my head into the sand and scream "You're stupid, this is stupid, FFXIV can do no wrong, its the perfect game, this statement is fact, not opinion." Or the more common response:

"Well... ty for the fast ques!" As if the heavy majority of these people commenting this were playing healer with any consistently beyond switching for a friend or to cap tomes.