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  1. #6721
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    Saraide's Avatar
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    To nobody's surprise, new EX1 was already cleared by 8 tanks (in PF by randoms no less)

    (Video is unlisted so won't share since the author did not intend it for public but its nothing special, really anybody can do the same)
    Were they atleast close to enrage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  2. #6722
    Player Isala's Avatar
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    Isala Zuntrios
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    Adamantoise
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    Fwiw, I don't think this dichotomy exists- the majority seems to want both. People want better healing content, both with more oncoming damage and more reactive healing (crit autos were an easy source of this in older XIV, but this mechanic basically vanished), but they understand that changing the encounter design in that way is both difficult and probably cannot be broadly applied to all content, so they also want more engaging dps tools. The better dps kit is super low hanging fruit, they literally need to undelete some of the 10 missing actions that healers had in HW. It's like, few hours of work and testing, most likely. The former takes more time, although I think it's a necessity to truly bring the healer support fantasy alive.

    If you want an example, I mained SCH in HW, when it was at the peak of its dps complexity, and I really enjoyed keeping all the different timed dots rolling perfectly. But the peak of SCH gameplay for me was moments like, for example, in A6S pre-nerf, my team messed up the slow/stuns on the orbs in the Brawler add phase and, if you were a good scholar, using your own slows/Supervirus/Fey Illumination, you could salvage the pull and make it through that mechanic. That was peak Scholar gameplay, a combination of defensive buffs, debuffs and mitigation used tactically making it through a difficult mechanic. I still think back on those moments even more than I do on managing all the dots- I don't think the latter is enough without the former.
    Bingo. XIV is the first MMO I've ever played where a healer is bored both healing, AND DPSing. Every other MMO gives us things to heal, and engaging DPS rotations when there's nothing to heal. I don't know why the current design in XIV is literally braindead, and frankly, I hate it.
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  3. #6723
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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Were they atleast close to enrage?
    Boss killed in the middle of second Mountain Fire tankbusters, which is what, 40s before enrage? Comp was 2 of each tank jobs.

    Edit: Different PF group https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ed_as_8_tanks/
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    Last edited by Somnolence; 07-10-2024 at 10:52 PM.

  4. #6724
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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Boss killed in the middle of second Mountain Fire tankbusters, which is what, 40s before enrage? Comp was 2 of each tank jobs.

    Edit: Different PF group https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ed_as_8_tanks/
    And in typical Redditor fashion, they mock our movement, intentionally missing the actual point of it in order to bow down to the perfect job designers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

  5. #6725
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    And in typical Redditor fashion, they mock our movement, intentionally missing the actual point of it in order to bow down to the perfect job designers.
    Gotta love that these people are supporting us despite their condescension lol. Thank you for actually making healerless runs a more and more common public thing
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    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  6. #6726
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Gotta love that these people are supporting us despite their condescension lol. Thank you for actually making healerless runs a more and more common public thing
    And then the people just move the goalpost.

    "It's just an extreme fight, wait til Savage".
    "Wait til Ultimate"
    "Wait for 8.0"

    Rinse and repeat
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  7. #6727
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    I'd honestly be surprised if a WAR can't solo the first floor of the normal raid at this point.
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  8. #6728
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    With the ridiculous self sustain the tanks have and their rather high damage these days (an average tank is doing closer to a phys ranged damage than a healers damage) and the always easy first tier on patch clears using a third tank as replacement for the healer are going to become super common unless they hard implement role restrictions via actual true randomness
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  9. #6729
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Connor Whelan
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    With the ridiculous self sustain the tanks have and their rather high damage these days (an average tank is doing closer to a phys ranged damage than a healers damage) and the always easy first tier on patch clears using a third tank as replacement for the healer are going to become super common unless they hard implement role restrictions via actual true randomness
    SE: *makes role bonus 2%*

    Also SE: What do you mean that didn’t fix it *shocked Pikachu face*

    Edit: to elaborate slightly further I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if they made role bonus an additional 1% then honestly believe that it would just stop everyone using ‘non-standard’ comps.
    Also it’s hilarious that they completely destroyed BLM (supposedly, I haven’t played it yet tbh) because it had ‘non-standard’ rotations, but they’re perfectly fine with the high viability of non-standard comps?
    Like make up your minds lol, are you enforcing players to a specific ‘standard’ or are you going to allow non-standard things to exist. Because right now they’re basically trying to have it both ways
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    Last edited by Connor; 07-11-2024 at 01:04 AM.

  10. #6730
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I'd honestly be surprised if a WAR can't solo the first floor of the normal raid at this point.
    You mean WAR won't be able to solo every floor? Outrageous, plz buff

    /s
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