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  1. #6331
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    So far, nope. I've been leveling my SCH exclusively thru roulettes, and was "hoping" there would be more Healer "in need" than usual, but...nope. So many times I call up the roulettes and it's still Tank from top to bottom.

    Not surprising, though. The number of people involved in this "strike" is barely a grain of sand compared to the size of the playerbase. Not to mention the timing - doing it right as a new xpac launches means there's a ton of new and returning players, so chances are for every person who goes on "strike", there's several others already stepping in to take their place.
    You do know that AIN doesn’t work like that right

    Tank is the default AIN and healer can only be AIN specifically when tank isn’t AIN

    So if you are looking at the levelling roulette and there are 30 parties that are looking for a healer, if even one of those parties is also looking for a tank then tank will be AIN despite there being a far higher need for healers

    It’s why at the dead of night when nobody is queuing tank is always just the default AIN

    lucky’s census for the end of EW shows there is about 1.2 million with capped healers and 1.7 with capped tanks so healer is definitely the rarer role
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  2. #6332
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    EusisLandale's Avatar
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    Eira Landale
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by currentlemon View Post
    With SGE, why does it have both Druochole and Taurochole in it's toolkit? Wouldn't be best if the former upgraded into the latter? One ability is clearly better than the other and the job doesn't need the extra oGCD heal.
    One's for consistent MP recovery, one's for mitigation. On both the healing is mostly just a bonus.
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  3. #6333
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by EusisLandale View Post
    One's for consistent MP recovery, one's for mitigation. On both the healing is mostly just a bonus.
    It’s still not like taurochole is remotely overpowered or anything

    They could just upgrade druachole into taurochole and not give it a recast time

    Extra mitigation on the tank is functionally useless at this point
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  4. #6334
    Player Kathryn's Avatar
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    Nanapie Kimura
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 28
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I think the real tell is going to be Party Finder. And a quick glance shows a lot of open groups waiting on healers...

    To be fair I've never used pf in all my time of playing I either play with a full FC group or do roulettes, I've not seen healer in need at all sadly it always seems to be tank in need, my SGE is 96 but i started on VPR last night as I want to continue the story as VPR but I will still heal in roulettes.
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  5. #6335
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    Saraide's Avatar
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You do know that AIN doesn’t work like that right

    Tank is the default AIN and healer can only be AIN specifically when tank isn’t AIN

    So if you are looking at the levelling roulette and there are 30 parties that are looking for a healer, if even one of those parties is also looking for a tank then tank will be AIN despite there being a far higher need for healers

    It’s why at the dead of night when nobody is queuing tank is always just the default AIN

    lucky’s census for the end of EW shows there is about 1.2 million with capped healers and 1.7 with capped tanks so healer is definitely the rarer role
    Having started in shb it's crazy to me to imagine that tank was once the role that nobody played to the point SE tried to bribe people with mounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  6. #6336
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    PercibelTheren's Avatar
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    Percibel Theren
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by elioaiko View Post
    Tbf ppl are either putting up with it to please their FC/friends.
    I ended up busting out WHM for this reason. My FC is usually about 40% healer mains but everyone is leveling the new jobs and keeps asking for tanks and healers to shorten their queues, so I caved and decided to help out.
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  7. #6337
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    Percibel Theren
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by lolnotacat View Post
    I main healer and that's usually the case, excluding the start of EW because we got SGE.
    On Zodiark when the second tier of Savage was current, it was specifically shield healers who were missing because like 85% of the healer population on Zodiark is WHM for some reason.
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  8. #6338
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    aiqa's Avatar
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    Eleasaid Seraqa
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by lolnotacat View Post
    I main healer and that's usually the case, excluding the start of EW because we got SGE.
    You'd think that would have send a message a long time ago. While it doesn't tell SE what is wrong with the role (they can look at the healer subforum for that), it does clearly show something is wrong. For years.

    But maybe SE just twisted that message into something completely backwards. Like: players must really hate playing healers, we better make sure healers have to heal as little as possible.
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  9. #6339
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    Flora Kosaki
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    Golem
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I think the real tell is going to be Party Finder. And a quick glance shows a lot of open groups waiting on healers...

    It's because healer is no fun, what is the point of playing a healer if you don't get to HEAL, it is literally the name of the ROLE.
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  10. #6340
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    You'd think that would have send a message a long time ago. While it doesn't tell SE what is wrong with the role (they can look at the healer subforum for that), it does clearly show something is wrong. For years.

    But maybe SE just twisted that message into something completely backwards. Like: players must really hate playing healers, we better make sure healers have to heal as little as possible.
    You'd think they'd lean in more into the damage rotation part then but not with SE. Not designed to heal, no designed to deal damage. Why are we here. Why does pvp get to have fun job design for everyone but not pve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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