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  1. #5621
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    Sure. Queued for Leveling Roulette as a DPS just to test, average wait time is more then 30m
    While I can't speak for Dawntrail dungeons, a handful of friends and I leveled Picto and Viper. MSQ roulette took 54 minutes at like 1-2pm est. Everything else was over 30 unless one of us went tank, used Trusts or were willing to pay for merc services. So...
    (5)
    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


  2. #5622
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    Myrany Wilzuun
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    I am swapping one of my casters over to Machinist (because BLM disgust) and my roulette queues are painful BUT I am on Marilith (Dynamis). I am just going to level her with Duty Support, Fates, Beast tribes I think.

    Hard for me to tell if the queues are because of the strike or because its Dynamis and we are trapped. Still supporting you guys though.
    (4)

  3. #5623
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    Aidorouge's Avatar
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    Buzam Aidorouge
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    Maduin
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    I am swapping one of my casters over to Machinist (because BLM disgust) and my roulette queues are painful BUT I am on Marilith (Dynamis). I am just going to level her with Duty Support, Fates, Beast tribes I think.

    Hard for me to tell if the queues are because of the strike or because its Dynamis and we are trapped. Still supporting you guys though.
    Aye, same, my queues have been bad but I'm also on Dynamis. The combination of being a DPS-only main in player content, two new DPS jobs, and the healer strike isn't helping matters but I'm not blaming the strikers for this, but rather SE for the smooth brain decision to trap me on Dynamis.

    I've already had to accept that I'll have to wait weeks before I can even get started on the new PVP series because pretty much nobody plays the mode over here, and the first chance I get I'm probably going to pay transfer somewhere else. Ironically I got a house on a lark before the maintenance happened, but I find it a pretty useless vanity item now compared to everything else I'm denied access to because I had the audacity to pick the "wrong" data center.
    (1)

  4. #5624
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    This argument feels like desperation...the people undermining our strike are actually supporting it! Nope, they're undermining it. The entire stated purpose of the strike is to pressure SE into making changes to the healer role. If other people simply swoop in and take the spots of those who go on "strike," then SE has no reason to change anything. Plain and simple. At the end of the day, success or failure of the "strike" is determined by whether it leads to SE making any meaningful changes to healers and healing. Those who haven't been healers previously that slide into that role now are directly detrimental to the strike.
    You're grossly missing the point of the strike. The point of the strike is very simple: We don't want to play the healers as they currently are anymore.

    Whether the strike impacts metrics and the dev team decides to make changes or other people play the job we dislike for us and we get a smooth switch over to tank/DPS with quicker queues from these new healers, we win either way.

    There is no losing here. You may not be supporting the strike by queueing as a healer, but you are making it more comfy for an ex-healer to main a different role by taking their place as the cog in the wheel.

    So I hope you continue having fun as a healer so I can continue to have fast DPS queues, thank you for your service.
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  5. #5625
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    Aidorouge's Avatar
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    Buzam Aidorouge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    You're grossly missing the point of the strike. The point of the strike is very simple: We don't want to play the healers as they currently are anymore.

    Whether the strike impacts metrics and the dev team decides to make changes or other people play the job we dislike for us and we get a smooth switch over to tank/DPS with quicker queues from these new healers, we win either way.

    There is no losing here. You may not be supporting the strike by queueing as a healer, but you are making it more comfy for an ex-healer to main a different role by taking their place as the cog in the wheel.

    So I hope you continue having fun as a healer so I can continue to have fast DPS queues, thank you for your service.
    Again, it just comes off like anti-strikers threatening ex-healers with a good time and they don't seem to be grasping that, but instead keep trying to twist it into some kind of "own" on the ex-healers, lol.
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  6. #5626
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    PCT is fantastically well designed class (so well designed I’m surprised it’s in modern 14)

    Why would I set there a waste my time spamming 1111111 and letting someone else play PCT when i just let the contrarians do the boring as hell healer and let me play PCT

    So yeah if you still wanna play healer for whatever reason I hope you enjoy it, and m having a blast on PCT
    (16)
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  7. #5627
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    Striker44's Avatar
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    Elmind Exilus
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    You're grossly missing the point of the strike. The point of the strike is very simple: We don't want to play the healers as they currently are anymore.

    Whether the strike impacts metrics and the dev team decides to make changes or other people play the job we dislike for us and we get a smooth switch over to tank/DPS with quicker queues from these new healers, we win either way.
    This is directly from your "manifesto": "Players supporting the strike wish to hold the development team and Square Enix accountable on their promise to provide a fulfilling and enjoyable experience for everyone."

    It's mind-boggling that people would participate in the strike without even knowing what it's about. The entire goal is to encourage the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Unless, of course, that's all a sham and the real reason is to just make yourselves the center of attention when you could just as easily simply choose not to play a healer role?

    There is no losing here. You may not be supporting the strike by queueing as a healer, but you are making it more comfy for an ex-healer to main a different role by taking their place as the cog in the wheel.

    So I hope you continue having fun as a healer so I can continue to have fast DPS queues, thank you for your service.
    I don't see it as a "cog in the wheel" or a "service". Straight up - I enjoy healing in this game. (For the record, I've always considered myself a DPS/RDM main, but most of the time I'm queuing for roulettes it's always been as a healer.)

    Again, it just comes off like anti-strikers threatening ex-healers with a good time and they don't seem to be grasping that, but instead keep trying to twist it into some kind of "own" on the ex-healers, lol.
    I suppose to some extent this might be true for some of us. The whole "strike" thing comes off as a diva complex to me, with people wanting to be the center of attention, blatantly insulting the developers for daring to make their game the way they choose, ganging up on anyone here who opposes them...it is kinda nice karma seeing the whole thing fall flat.

    Why would I set there a waste my time spamming 1111111 and letting someone else play PCT when i just let the contrarians do the boring as hell healer and let me play PCT

    So yeah if you still wanna play healer for whatever reason I hope you enjoy it, and m having a blast on PCT
    Glad to hear you're having a lot of fun with PCT! I think this comment I'm quoting sums up a fair part of the issue - look at how dismissive and condescending the rest of it is, trying to objectively declare a different role "boring as hell" that people can play "for whatever reason". It would go a long way for those supporting the strike to simply acknowledge their take is their own personal opinion, rather than having to attack or insult anyone who dares to have fun playing a healer.

    Hard for me to tell if the queues are because of the strike or because its Dynamis and we are trapped. Still supporting you guys though.
    The queues have nothing to do with the "strike." We have an expansion that just started with 2 new DPS roles that a ton of people are playing. The last time SE released 2 DPS roles, there wasn't a strike, and there's posts someone dug up the other day showing that several months into that expansion, queues were still excessive for DPS.
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    Last edited by Striker44; 06-29-2024 at 10:19 AM.

  8. #5628
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    This is directly from your "manifesto": "Players supporting the strike wish to hold the development team and Square Enix accountable on their promise to provide a fulfilling and enjoyable experience for everyone."

    It's mind-boggling that people would participate in the strike without even knowing what it's about. The entire goal is to encourage the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Unless, of course, that's all a sham and the real reason is to just make yourselves the center of attention when you could just as easily simply choose not to play a healer role?
    I don't see it written anywhere that what's written is the only goal?

    It would be nice if the dev team took notice and changed healers back to something I enjoyed more in older expansions, but if they don't care to, it doesn't matter to a lot of us as long as people who want to spite us are more than willing to take our places, because I and many others have long since given up on the role, we just need someone else to take our place.

    You may think you're harming us, but you're actually making it easier for us to quit the role. I don't know about anyone else, but I only play healer after they ruined it for me because no one else wants to, so if you and those like-minded are suddenly happy to main healers? Great! Go for it, you have my support. I no longer have to play that dumpster fire of a role.
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  9. #5629
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    This is directly from your "manifesto": "Players supporting the strike wish to hold the development team and Square Enix accountable on their promise to provide a fulfilling and enjoyable experience for everyone."

    It's mind-boggling that people would participate in the strike without even knowing what it's about. The entire goal is to encourage the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Unless, of course, that's all a sham and the real reason is to just make yourselves the center of attention when you could just as easily simply choose not to play a healer role?



    I don't see it as a "cog in the wheel" or a "service". Straight up - I enjoy healing in this game. (For the record, I've always considered myself a DPS/RDM main, but most of the time I'm queuing for roulettes it's always been as a healer.)



    I suppose to some extent this might be true for some of us. The whole "strike" thing comes off as a diva complex to me, with people wanting to be the center of attention, blatantly insulting the developers for daring to make their game the way they choose, ganging up on anyone here who opposes them...it is kinda nice karma seeing the whole thing fall flat.



    Glad to hear you're having a lot of fun with PCT! I think this comment I'm quoting sums up a fair part of the issue - look at how dismissive and condescending the rest of it is, trying to objectively declare a different role "boring as hell" that people can play "for whatever reason". It would go a long way for those supporting the strike to simply acknowledge their take is their own personal opinion, rather than having to attack or insult anyone who dares to have fun playing a healer.



    The queues have nothing to do with the "strike." We have an expansion that just started with 2 new DPS roles that a ton of people are playing. The last time SE released 2 DPS roles, there wasn't a strike, and there's posts someone dug up the other day showing that several months into that expansion, queues were still excessive for DPS.
    Striker I am for the 1029591069286026020692471 time begging you to not take every single sentence as an attack on everyone else

    “Boring as hell healer role” “if you still want want to play healer for whatever reason”

    That’s my opinion, I didn’t write that as an “attack” on people who still like healers, you’ve desperately got to calm down on this front
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  10. #5630
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    Kaeya Alberich
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    PCT is fantastically well designed class (so well designed I’m surprised it’s in modern 14)

    Why would I set there a waste my time spamming 1111111 and letting someone else play PCT when i just let the contrarians do the boring as hell healer and let me play PCT

    So yeah if you still wanna play healer for whatever reason I hope you enjoy it, and m having a blast on PCT
    I am honestly so positively surprised by picto. It's rotation is really fun and unique. I spend a lot of time just trying things out, finding what I think is a very good/optimal rotation etc. Analysing it was so fun and refreshing.
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