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  1. #4891
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    Wildheaven182's Avatar
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    Rowan Aarontagdh
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I think we may see a phenomenon along the lines of the downfall of WoW. Just one thing that happens in WoW is that people stand in damage for more damage uptime because they know it wont kill them. This will bring about toxicity in game.
    I also notice more toxicity in game in boring easy content like ST and Laby. When people are bored they seem to find ways to entertain themselves that arent healthy for the game.

    I think with continued easy game content, the politeness of the ffxiv community to play the game as intended and move out of aoes will decline into people just standing in any aoes they can so they can keep attacking. Especially with massive room wide aoes we saw in the media tour dungeon.
    If you do the aoes, you dont need a healer. So if you have a healer then you might as well stand in as much aoe as possible to do more damage to compensate for not running a third dps.

    Maybe it would be good for the game though. It would give healers something to do and using the myriad ogcds to heal wont drop dps anyway. Even if a healer is pressed into healing with gcds too from a new meta of standing in aoe to deal more damage, i think the dps keeping uptime will outweigh the healer gcd healing instead of attacking anyway.

    These things even get to a point where people will tell new players to not bother moving out of aoes because theyll just lose damage and make the content take longer for everyone. Then soon enough it will be considered toxic to move out of aoes.

    This already is the way in other games. Dont think it cant happen here.
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  2. #4892
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    I won't pretend people supporting the strike are perfect. But equaly? That doesn't look like anything near reasonble. For example, did people supporting the strike do things like (or at a similar level of) create and distribute lists of people posting in this thread and how much savage/ultimate content they cleared according to some website, with the explicit intent to shame them into silence?
    And then you have people like me doing ultimates as healer and still saying the role is boring as hell. But pretty sure my opinion doesn’t matter cause I’m an elitist or something….. while people that didn’t do ultimates getting told they are to casual and have no clue what they talk about because they didn’t do the hardest content aka spreadsheet city.

    It’s the typical people talking without fact checking anything and flipping the narrative over and over and over again.
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  3. #4893
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Anyone reading this who values privacy. Go on your lodestone character profile and write in the description:
    fflogs-hidden
    tomestone-hidden

    This will force your character to opt-out of these two website. Realistically they should be like that by default but those website developers seem not to respect people's privacy to make it opt-in.
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  4. #4894
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    Hellebore_Ghrian's Avatar
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    Hellebore Ghrian
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    Louisoix
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    And then you have people like me doing ultimates as healer and still saying the role is boring as hell. But pretty sure my opinion doesn’t matter cause I’m an elitist or something….. while people that didn’t do ultimates getting told they are to casual and have no clue what they talk about because they didn’t do the hardest content aka spreadsheet city.

    It’s the typical people talking without fact checking anything and flipping the narrative over and over and over again.
    There should be a way to become a casuals-care elistist. Be like a casual yet ultimate clearing player so we can find where we're allowed to voice our points ?

    By buying ultimate clears maybe ? /s
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    Last edited by Hellebore_Ghrian; 06-25-2024 at 02:00 AM.
    Healer? What do you even need one for?

  5. #4895
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellebore_Ghrian View Post
    There should be a way to become a casuals-care elistist. Be like a casual yet ultimate clearing player so we can find where we're allowed to voice our points ?
    I think I fit this bill, I cleared ultimates and savage but the casual spreadsheet that people linked says my score is 10.

    So I'm a super casual player that also clears the hardest content, that means I cannot be dismissed because I'm a contradiction.
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  6. #4896
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    Ayalu's Avatar
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    Ayalu Jeji
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    I won't pretend people supporting the strike are perfect. But equaly? That doesn't look like anything near reasonble. For example, did people supporting the strike do things like (or at a similar level of) create and distribute lists of people posting in this thread and how much savage/ultimate content they cleared according to some website, with the explicit intent to shame them into silence?
    First, what the hell whats wrong with those people? @.@
    Second, such people really embody the negative stereotype of hardcore player and static members.
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  7. #4897
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    GartredZW's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    conspiracy theory time, I think the reason why the barrier/pure healer split happened was just so they could make sage a simplified scholar then completely bloat scholar like they have been doing to make people want a complete remake of the job like summoner.
    I'm more or less okay with that to be honest. as a former Scholar main, the class definitely needs a rework. Just leave my Recitation -> Adloquium -> Deployment Tactics alone, and I'll be fine.
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  8. #4898
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    Kaurhz's Avatar
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Anyone reading this who values privacy. Go on your lodestone character profile and write in the description:
    fflogs-hidden
    tomestone-hidden

    This will force your character to opt-out of these two website. Realistically they should be like that by default but those website developers seem not to respect people's privacy to make it opt-in.
    If there is one thing that I would say it is...

    For people that are looking for this information, the 'concealment' or more accurately the opting-out of information is always worse than the presence of information (regardless of what that information says) as it only leaves people to speculate on why, and more oft than not this will lead to the worst conclusion absolutely possible.

    Personally, I don't care very much and generally I have better things to do with my time that worry about some unhinged individual stalking me (or even worse actually spending developmental time to write a script and then interact with an API to extract data en-masse) across several websites on the basis of an opinion.
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 06-25-2024 at 02:41 AM.

  9. #4899
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    ZephyrMenodora's Avatar
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    If there is one thing that I would say it is...

    For people that are looking for this information, the 'concealment' or more accurately the opting-out of information is always worse than the presence of information (regardless of what that information says) as it only leaves people to speculate on why, and more oft than not this will lead to the worst conclusion absolutely possible.

    Personally, I don't care very much and generally I have better things to do with my time that worry about some unhinged individual stalking me (or even worse actually spending developmental time to write a script and then interact with an API to extract data en-masse) across several websites on the basis of an opinion.
    I opted out. Since I'm not going to be applying for any end-game raiding guilds or progging, there really is no point to my data being there. If my life changes in the future and somoene needs this info for legit reasons, I'll turn it back on.

    I never chose to be on those websites to begin with.
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  10. #4900
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Siren
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    If there is one thing that I would say it is...

    For people that are looking for this information, the 'concealment' or more accurately the opting-out of information is always worse than the presence of information (regardless of what that information says) as it only leaves people to speculate on why, and more oft than not this will lead to the worst conclusion absolutely possible.

    Personally, I don't care very much and generally I have better things to do with my time that worry about some unhinged individual stalking me (or even worse actually spending developmental time to write a script and then interact with an API to extract data en-masse) across several websites on the basis of an opinion.
    Ok Arthars

    I'm going to continue to give feedback for the game despite limited clearing of Ultimate/Extreme/Savage content and you and your friends will need to read it and weep.

    Which btw, is all these content creators and their fans are doing. None of you will stop me or anyone from doing high end content. Let that be understood.

    Speaking of irrelevant droplets in the ocean. Ya'll need a serious dosing of self awareness.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 06-25-2024 at 03:02 AM.

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