#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[aiqa]

I was reading the thread, My personal impression as a tank main, at least, is that some complaints are certainly valid, Especially, the WAR one. War is far too busted in the self sustain department, and I wish either for a hefty nerf or DRK to be buffed. How they achieve it, I don't care. I just want the level to be equalised a little as I feel DRK being a tad frail when it comes to certain content, which is probably something healer mains approve of? Appreciate, I guess? As we give them some work to do, or not. Who knows. I don't know the other side that well to call a judgement.

The part of complaints from healers that focusses on tank sustain isn't a blanket "tanks should have as little heals as possible". It's about the devs mostly ignoring healers, seemingly perfectly happy to let tanks take over the healer role, and then doubling down on that direction in DT. There is a lot of wiggle room between no self and teamheals on tanks, and the point where that starts to invalidate the healer role. And those complaints specifically target the tank jobs actually do that; WAR and PLD a close second. I haven't seen a single healer complaining about DRK sustain in this thread, and fully agree tanks shouldn't feel fragile.

[GrimGale]

The part of complaints from healers that focusses on tank sustain isn't a blanket "tanks should have as little heals as possible". It's about the devs mostly ignoring healers, seemingly perfectly happy to let tanks take over the healer role, and then doubling down on that direction in DT. There is a lot of wiggle room between no self and teamheals on tanks, and the point where that starts to invalidate the healer role. And those complaints specifically target the tank jobs actually do that; WAR and PLD a close second. I haven't seen a single healer complaining about DRK sustain in this thread, and fully agree tanks shouldn't feel fragile.

The generalizing issue is that there is nothing interesting to do when the "healing" part of the healer job has been solved. Having tanks with strong sustain only aggravates that issue since it naturally makes the healing part quicker to solve and leaves healers with nothing but their DPS kits ,witch are as barren and simple as they could be.

If our filler dps kits were satisfying, nobody would be mad at the tanks for removing healing time from healer roles. (well maybe just the people that want to play as heal bots)

[aiqa]

The generalizing issue is that there is nothing interesting to do when the "healing" part of the healer job has been solved. Having tanks with strong sustain only aggravates that issue since it naturally makes the healing part quicker to solve and leaves healers with nothing but their DPS kits ,witch are as barren and simple as they could be.

If our filler dps kits were fun nobody would be mad at the tanks for removing healing time from healer roles.

I don't agree with that. There are multiple issues with the healer role, listed quite well in the manifesto in the opening post of this thread. Just tweaking the damage buttons is not enough. There are even people who are perfectly fine with the damage buttons, but still support the strike because they are concerned about the other points.

[Assur]

I am not criticising here or objecting. I am just curious. Because mainly as a dungeon clearer as a DRK, I feel the need for a healer acutely. People say here that healers are not needed and that their role is made obsolete in easy as well as in hard content. I cannot agree with this statement. As a DRK, WAR is a completely different story, I can't clear even a normal dungeon without them. I need them. I depend on them. Otherwise, I die if they mess up. For me, you healers are essential, and I am glad to have one at my side.

And I feel differences in quality depending on the healers in question. There are more skilled ones. There are less skilled ones. They influence how I run my dungeon. But even with the skill ones, I have the impression that they quite the handful to do and often put to the test, which is why I ask.

Because I don't know the modus operandi of those who say their role is invalidated in dungeon clears, and they are just reduced to one button DPS spam. I don't see this reality.

[GrimGale]

I don't see this reality.

So this basically means that if you get randomly paired with players that know their kits and avoid damage your class/role gets reduced to a 1 button spam.

[Assur]

So this basically means that if you get randomly paired with players that know their kits and avoid damage your class/role gets reduced to a 1 button spam.

What do you mean?

[Basteala]

What do you mean?

Simple: so say a tank does a Wall to Wall pull. They know their mitigation, they rotate cooldowns, they do everything a healer wants a tank to do--make the damage intake predictable and manageable. I think most semi decent and better tanks will tell you that this is good execution of the role.

The problem is that in EW, and apparently DT, the damage intake under these optimal conditions doesn't slow so much as full on stop..sometimes literally in WAR's case due to a spammable Bloodwhetting that can full heal a wall2wall with one instant cast GCD.

So you're a healer and the tank doesn't need you. What do you do?

Well if the DPS are *super* bad and eating vuln stacks like a Dragoon stereotype, you can heal them. If not, you do your damage rotation.

If you're in a single target fight, you cast your 30 second DoT. Then you spam cast your ability. You have one. For WHM it's Glare, for SCH, it's Broil, etc. If you're lucky, you may have a CD that gives you like...one extra button every minute. For two-three seconds.

As a result, for like 55 out of every 60 seconds, you're just hitting one button until you need to heal, and if you DON'T need to heal, you're hitting just one button.

And for AoE, it's even worse. You have one AoE ability. I hope you like it.

[Assur]

Simple: so say a tank does a Wall to Wall pull. They know their mitigation, they rotate cooldowns, they do everything a healer wants a tank to do--make the damage intake predictable and manageable. I think most semi decent and better tanks will tell you that this is good execution of the role.

The problem is that in EW, and apparently DT, the damage intake under these optimal conditions doesn't slow so much as full on stop..sometimes literally in WAR's case due to a spammable Bloodwhetting that can full heal a wall2wall with one instant cast GCD.

So you're a healer and the tank doesn't need you. What do you do?

Well if the DPS are *super* bad and eating vuln stacks like a Dragoon stereotype, you can heal them. If not, you do your damage rotation.

If you're in a single target fight, you cast your 30 second DoT. Then you spam cast your ability. You have one. For WHM it's Glare, for SCH, it's Broil, etc. If you're lucky, you may have a CD that gives you like...one extra button every minute. For two-three seconds.

As a result, for like 55 out of every 60 seconds, you're just hitting one button until you need to heal, and if you DON'T need to heal, you're hitting just one button.

And for AoE, it's even worse. You have one AoE ability. I hope you like it.

You cite WAR here. This is a problem about WAR being busted, and not about tanks in general invaldiating your role. Only WAR can pull this off and maybe PAL, but surely not GNB or DRK.

For me, the damage in take doesn't stop at all when I am hoovering often at 20% and 30% HP constantly despite the healers healing. Maybe the expert here find time to spam AoE there too, but I am not sure how reprenstative this is a for all palyers.

[Basteala]

You cite WAR here. This is a problem about WAR being busted, and not about tanks in general invaldiating your role. Only WAR can pull this off and maybe PAL, but surely not GNB or DRK.

For me, the damage in take doesn't stop at all when I am hoovering often at 20% and 30% HP constantly despite the healers healing. Maybe the expert here find time to spam AoE there too, but I am not sure how reprenstative this is a for all palyers.

Correction: I used WAR as a point of emphasis. It's also the tank I know best. But honestly even healing GNB isn't too hard if they correctly use Rampart and Nebula and Heart of Corrundum (sp) and Camouflage.

Also Healer isn't my role. Not any more. I swapped to Black Mage months ago, have been enjoying it, and quite frankly I'm just here to give the perspective of the Healer Main's frustrations without the emotional baggage of going into DT as a Healer Main.