new option: vote wipe

[Kaixern]

actually, im against that. i would rather have them lower warriors defence and also raising the hp so warriors have to use their self sustain to help the healers getting himself full

Would make sense in the Berserker Warrior archetype to rely more on healthpool/regen defensives rather than shield and mitigation abilities
(but with their track record on this game i unfortunately don't trust SE that much when it comes to ability tied to class identity, they could either make it too strong or too weak.....hoping again to be proved wrong on the long run)

[NegativeS]

I don't think this is really needed and can see this being used to troll groups rather easily.

Might be convoluted, but we could say that the vote is only an option if everyone but the tank is dead (in a Light Party), if both healers and at least 3 DPS are dead (in a Full Party), or if at least half the DPS and all people with a Raise are dead (in an Alliance).

And honestly, I would hate getting popups mid-fight.

Well, obviously the people in the fight don't get to vote. If they cared whether or not there was a wipe, they could... y'know... wipe?

[Ath192]

Might be convoluted, but we could say that the vote is only an option if everyone but the tank is dead (in a Light Party), if both healers and at least 3 DPS are dead (in a Full Party), or if at least half the DPS and all people with a Raise are dead (in an Alliance).

So instead of asking the design team to make fights harder so a tank cannot survive for long without the rest of their party you'd rather ask for the option to force him to commit suicide from the ground? No way you slice its terrible. If you don't want the tank living, make fights a tank can't live without help.

[Rithy255]

I mainly would agree with this if you're the last player standing, I think too many Tanks like warrior and paladin forget to use their support abilities to keep their dps running in situations without a healer, I see a lot of paladins (under 82 works here better) for example just use clemency on self and don't consider to spend mana differently, knowing they are the main source of healing for their DPS. you have to adjust your playstyle and I find this sort of adjustment enjoyable, even if you don't come across it in duties its actually one of the times i feel some excitement in dungeons is keeping my DPS alive as a paladin lol.

Trying to solo a boss from 100%-40% if generally the issue here as it will make the fight last forever, I think if the boss is around 20% it's fine when a tank solo's.

I also just wanted to add think it's fine if a tank can survive, but it should require some sort of damage loss with casted heals such as PLD's clemency, so that bringing 3dps and 1tank isn't "meta". Eitherway it should be a lot harder to survive then current which is basically for free in EW.

[NegativeS]

So instead of asking the design team to make fights harder so a tank cannot survive for long without the rest of their party you'd rather ask for the option to force him to commit suicide from the ground? No way you slice its terrible. If you don't want the tank living, make fights a tank can't live without help.

Hey, I never said that actually balancing the game wasn't the preferable option.

But I would be lying if I said I had faith in SE to fix their design philosophy.

In lieu of designing their game properly, it would be nice if getting a sprout healer in a dungeon didn't condemn 3 out of 4 people to standing around for 10 minutes while the tank flexed his ability to push buttons in a timely manner.

[Ath192]

Hey, I never said that actually balancing the game wasn't the preferable option.

But I would be lying if I said I had faith in SE to fix their design philosophy.

In lieu of designing their game properly, it would be nice if getting a sprout healer in a dungeon didn't condemn 3 out of 4 people to standing around for 10 minutes while the tank flexed his ability to push buttons in a timely manner.

Ok, but just to be clear, even though "vote wipe" sounds all benign and virtuous even (power to the people!) what is being asked here is a euthenasia option.

Functionally it is not different than option in the menu that says:

"Kill player(s)?"

Are you sure you want to eliminate "Player X" so you can restart the fight? Yes/No.

[NegativeS]

Ok, but just to be clear, even though "vote wipe" sounds all benign and virtious even (power to the people!) what is being asked here is a euthenasia option.

Functionally it is not different than option in the menu that says:

"Kill player(s)?"

Are you sure you want to eliminate "Player X" so you can restart the fight? Yes/No.

Correct.

Meanwhile, every second the one dude alive continues their rotation and mitigation, it's like having a popup that says:

"Continue wasting everyone's time?"

I understand soloing if everyone is dead and the boss has like, 5% left, but I've had to sit through fights where a bad healer led to a wipe at 60-70%, and let me tell you the spectacle of that tank pushing their buttons gooder than everyone else is not worth it. If they're deaf to people screaming at them to reset, then yes, kill them and let everyone else play the game.

This isn't real life. Dying in the video game is not permanent. We can have meta votes that stop the tank's heart if it means that we can keep things moving.

[Ath192]

If they're deaf to people screaming at them to reset, then yes, kill them and let everyone else play the game.

Okay good, Just wanted to make sure we're clear on what's being asked for in here. The ability to murder others against their will.

[NegativeS]

Okay good, Just wanted to make sure we're clear on what's being asked for in here. The ability to murder others against their will.

Again, video game is not real life, death is meaningless. If the tank wants to take away the autonomy of the party, then the party will take away the autonomy of the tank.

[Skivvy]

Might be convoluted, but we could say that the vote is only an option if everyone but the tank is dead (in a Light Party), if both healers and at least 3 DPS are dead (in a Full Party), or if at least half the DPS and all people with a Raise are dead (in an Alliance).

That is so many random boxes to tick. X: I'm really struggling to see why this would need to be something that SE takes the time to implement. In all my years, I've only had 2 runs where the tank spent an obscene amount of time whittling down a boss instead of just wiping. Are people really running into this situation that much?

Well, obviously the people in the fight don't get to vote. If they cared whether or not there was a wipe, they could... y'know... wipe?

The people who are alive deserve to have a vote. They are also in the same run, spending their time all the same as those on the floor. I know I wouldn't want my run to be decided only by the players who are dead, especially when there's a good chance they're dead due to their own actions. :X


That said, I feel like basic communication and a ounce of common courtesy would go a long way. "Hey guys, think we should wipe?". If the majority say yes, just wipe! If people are cheering on the tank who is giving the boss their best shot? Have fun, keep going!


As an aside, I know this has been mentioned in other posts (and threads), but I would far rather see SE fix encounters, and tanks themselves, so that they can't survive on their own as they currently do. They're like the cockroaches of XIV. :X
The desire to have a wipe-vote option is just a sign of far deeper issues.