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  1. #2121
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    TheDustyOne's Avatar
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    Dusty Two
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Sounds like a whole lot of not my problem.
    And you accuse healers of ego, ironic.
    (31)

  2. #2122
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    ThaCa's Avatar
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    Character
    Wise Fuchsia
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    Phantom
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Delete Tank and Healer roles, make current ones DPS and give all of subroles some mitigation and heals. Done.
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  3. #2123
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Character
    Kinda Hungry
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    I think you missed the part where just last page you quoted me saying I have no issue with them making healers more interesting, but not at the expense of other jobs. You're preaching making them better at the expense of other jobs. I don't know what sort of "gotcha" this was supposed to be, but you completely missed it.
    I haven't missed it. I just don't agree with you. I know that people want a pacifist type solution to this problem by correcting the encounter design or reworking healers. I just don't see how either of those things will put the game in a position where teams aren't effortlessly clearing new content with no healer due to OP tanks. That's just my opinion of course and ultimately I don't design the jobs of the game.
    (21)

  4. #2124
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    MisterNublet's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Autechre Voidmoon
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Sounds like a whole lot of not my problem. I like tanks where they are now.
    Nah. Warrior and Paladin need a nerf, bringing their self-sustain down to Dark Knight levels.
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  5. #2125
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    TheDruidOcelot's Avatar
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    Character
    N'qehbe Moshroca
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 78
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
    And you accuse healers of ego, ironic.
    she(Kazmarek)'s really not beating the "self-centered crybully" allegations, nor is she even trying.
    (7)
    Last edited by TheDruidOcelot; 06-15-2024 at 06:40 AM.

  6. #2126
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    OogaShaka's Avatar
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    Character
    Deosil Widdershins
    World
    Halicarnassus
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    If it was up to me i would set every classes spells up like blue mage is ,for healer you would then pick your heal,dps,and buffs that you would have 2 bars to fill, that way we can both be happy as you can have your extra dps spells for the savages and ultimates and i can plug along in my normals with my heal setup.This would also work good for tanks that want more damage methinks.
    (3)
    Last edited by OogaShaka; 06-15-2024 at 06:40 AM.

  7. #2127
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    Kayokane's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Aluena Mahri
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
    I mean, you said that healer damage is "not significant enough" without solid proof. What makes your statement better?

    The funny number site is there for people to see if they want, healer damage isn't insignificant and is required to meet enrage in savage, especially in the early weeks.
    I like to think of my DPS on WHM as insurance. The more I put out while still keeping the party alive is the less perfect everybody needs to play in order to suceed.

    I think that's a fairly common viewpoint on healer damage, but sometimes it can lead to "Oops, I forgot to heal" or "Oops, I thought I could skip that heal" moments wiping the party.
    (1)

  8. #2128
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Character
    Kinda Hungry
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Making every class a blue Mage or an omni job, whatever you want to call it, is the final turn in the Ultimate that is this conversation.

    Turn 1: it's the Healer rotations
    Turn 2: it's the encounters/difficulty
    Turn 3: it's the tanks
    Turn 4 : denial
    Turn 5: get rid of roles

    It just keeps going in that circle from I can tell.
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  9. #2129
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    I'll be honest, I'm shocked.

    You're telling me they homogenized and gutted the entire role but they can't even balance it?



    lmfao
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  10. #2130
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    Kazmarek's Avatar
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    Character
    Cinnamon Maruhira
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDruidOcelot View Post
    she(Kazmarek)'s really not beating the "self-centered crybully" allegations, nor is she even trying.
    Why would I need to? The subject isn't on the quality of who I am as a person, the subject is on why healers are so bad. And a lot of people here are misdirecting their anger, pointing it almost entirely towards tanks. Why not inward? Why does one role have to be brought down so another can have a purpose? The answer's easy, it doesn't actually have to happen like that. So the people here getting mad at the existence of tanks, well... I just don't respect them. No reason to.
    (2)

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