#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Priddy]

You cannot do roulettes with trusts.

Well, if the only thing you're trying to accomplish is increasing queue times by maybe a few seconds if EVERY healer in this thread decided to actually quit the role (because this thread represents such a minority of the playerbase), EXCLUSIVELY for roulettes, then it isn't all that much of a strike, is it?

[OgruMogru]

Well, if the only thing you're trying to accomplish is increasing queue times by maybe a few seconds if EVERY healer in this thread decided to actually quit the role (because this thread represents such a minority of the playerbase), EXCLUSIVELY for roulettes, then it isn't all that much of a strike, is it?

As stated many times over, the idea is to affect the metrics, not inconvenience others [people swapping from healer to dps will also have longer queues] I only even bring up roulettes not being usable as trusts because people keep smugly presenting the existence of trusts/duty support as a gotcha when... it's not

[Myrany]

As stated many times over, the idea is to affect the metrics, not inconvenience others [people swapping from healer to dps will also have longer queues] I only even bring up roulettes not being usable as trusts because people keep smugly presenting the existence of trusts/duty support as a gotcha when... it's not

Then again there are many of the more casual players that don't do or care about roulettes.

I totally respect your right to refuse to play a class that you do not currently enjoy. That is exactly what should be done when something is not fun.

Thing is other players will find their own ways to cope with whatever healer shortage might be created. That might be forming their own parties, it might be duty support or trusts, it might be taking up healer themselves or it might be something I haven't even thought of.

The only thing I have mentioned (and got slammed for) is that I do not think changes will be fast in coming. Partially because development of the sorts of changes you want is not a fast process. Partially because in this thread alone there seem to be very conflicting ideas of what you want done. Yes you want healer to be more interesting (something I agree with) but there is no consensus of exactly how you want that to be done. In the last partially because other players will cope with the shortage diminishing the urgency for SQEX to do anything.

Are all of you ready to continue this for the duration even if that duration pushes beyond 7.2 and possibly as far as 8.0 when it is planned for everything to be reworked? I hope you will continue, I really do. I support all of you standing up for yourselves.

[Loggos]

But if people used duty support or made custom party finder groups wouldn't that still show up in the devs' internal metrics?

(Let's just say purely for argument's sake the strike would work and DF queues suddenly would take much longer, so people would switch to duty support and PF.)

If the devs see in their internal metrics that a lot fewer healers queue in the DF, and at the same time a lot more people use (the much slower) duty support on other jobs than healers, and perhaps in the party finder significantly more people organise 1T3DPS runs, then this would still convey a message about healers to them.

Namely that a lot fewer people play healers, that the role is clearly not attractive right now, and that people resort to other measures than trinity-based group play to deal with it.

So if they want to stick with the trinity system then they need to make the role, that is currently so undesirable, appealing again.

If as a result more people return to the role, i.e. more healers queue for group content, fewer people feel compelled to do trusts and 1T3DPS runs are not as viable anymore as normal 1T1H2DPS runs for efficient group play, then their adjustment was successful.

That is purely hypothetical of course. I don't think we will make this kind of difference but I also don't think people turning to trusts would diminish our efforts and might in fact even convey the message.


Edit:

You beat me to it, hehe

As stated many times over, the idea is to affect the metrics, not inconvenience others [people swapping from healer to dps will also have longer queues] I only even bring up roulettes not being usable as trusts because people keep smugly presenting the existence of trusts/duty support as a gotcha when... it's not

[ZephyrMenodora]

The existence of something liked 2300 times is just as much data as this thread being liked 240 times. Stop talking out of your ass just because you don't like that there are people out there who don't care. They exist. Pretending I am lying about a Tweet I saw because it's counter to this thread and what you want to hear doesn't make me a liar.

Stop bringing up algorithms tailoring to bias on one hand and then saying on your other that history is irrelevant, since that is what an algorithm uses.

[Turtledeluxe]

The existence of something liked 2300 times is just as much data as this thread being liked 240 times. Stop talking out of your ass just because you don't like that there are people out there who don't care. They exist. Pretending I am lying about a Tweet I saw because it's counter to this thread and what you want to hear doesn't make me a liar.

Stop bringing up algorithms tailoring to bias on one hand and then saying on your other that history is irrelevant, since that is what an algorithm uses.

I did not use my for you page, I did an objective search and saw several people agreeing or joining, some partial agreeing, and some negative. Just like this thread.

If someone used your post as truth, although you did not explicitly state it's universal, you and I both know that's how someone biased would interpret it, and theyd come out of it misinformed. "I saw people laughing about it on Twitter and I'm not in support of striking." That's what your post says. It is confirmation bias.

There really was no reason to invoke Twitter. You did it to lend credibility to your viewpoint. And other users have done it before you. "My discord is laughing". Who cares

[ZephyrMenodora]

I did not use my for you page, I did an objective search and saw several people agreeing or joining, some partial agreeing, and some negative. Just like this thread.

If someone used your post as truth, although you did not explicitly state it's universal, you and I both know that's how someone biased would interpret it, and theyd come out of it misinformed. "I saw people laughing about it on Twitter and I'm not in support of striking." That's what your post says. It is confirmation bias.

There really was no reason to invoke Twitter. You did it to lend credibility to your viewpoint. And other users have done it before you. "My discord is laughing". Who cares

I think this line of argument between us is unproductive. I didn't mean to bring up these people on Twitter to say I don't support what the thread is trying to do. Unlike maybe some of the others, I want healers to be more fun.

I'm just jaded. I'm a healer main, they've been boring for years, watched other healer movements before that fizzled out, seen endless discussion only to see it go nowhere now in 7.0 whatsoever. Still going to be pressing Glare for hours.

I actually hope this movement matters, more than all of the other discussions about Healers...but I think even if it works, I'm looking at 2 more years of the same.

[Kenshi_]

I think healers should get a backflip because it'd be cool.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

I think healers should get a backflip because it'd be cool.

We already gave SGE Thunderclap, sure why not.

I nominate AST, they can straight up float with grav magic, SCH can get a button to dash to Eos so all healers have movement but different movement.

[Kayokane]

WHM get En Avant, SGE got Thunderclap, AST should get Shukuchi, and SCH... they run fast!