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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Yeah, some might call them warriors, or paladins, or gunbreakers. I just call them better jobs.
    That's the definition of imbalance. I'm so happy you've unknowingly joined the movement.

    Welcome to the team!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    That's the definition of imbalance. I'm so happy you've unknowingly joined the movement.

    Welcome to the team!
    I think you missed the part where just last page you quoted me saying I have no issue with them making healers more interesting, but not at the expense of other jobs. You're preaching making them better at the expense of other jobs. I don't know what sort of "gotcha" this was supposed to be, but you completely missed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    I think you missed the part where just last page you quoted me saying I have no issue with them making healers more interesting, but not at the expense of other jobs. You're preaching making them better at the expense of other jobs. I don't know what sort of "gotcha" this was supposed to be, but you completely missed it.
    Tanks being damn near invincible already comes at the expense of the healers, something has to give and asking for the tanks to remain as-is will only fix part of the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
    Tanks being damn near invincible already comes at the expense of the healers, something has to give and asking for the tanks to remain as-is will only fix part of the issue.
    Sounds like a whole lot of not my problem. I like tanks where they are now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Sounds like a whole lot of not my problem.
    And you accuse healers of ego, ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
    And you accuse healers of ego, ironic.
    she(Kazmarek)'s really not beating the "self-centered crybully" allegations, nor is she even trying.
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    Last edited by TheDruidOcelot; 06-15-2024 at 06:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDruidOcelot View Post
    she(Kazmarek)'s really not beating the "self-centered crybully" allegations, nor is she even trying.
    Why would I need to? The subject isn't on the quality of who I am as a person, the subject is on why healers are so bad. And a lot of people here are misdirecting their anger, pointing it almost entirely towards tanks. Why not inward? Why does one role have to be brought down so another can have a purpose? The answer's easy, it doesn't actually have to happen like that. So the people here getting mad at the existence of tanks, well... I just don't respect them. No reason to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Sounds like a whole lot of not my problem. I like tanks where they are now.
    Nah. Warrior and Paladin need a nerf, bringing their self-sustain down to Dark Knight levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    I think you missed the part where just last page you quoted me saying I have no issue with them making healers more interesting, but not at the expense of other jobs. You're preaching making them better at the expense of other jobs. I don't know what sort of "gotcha" this was supposed to be, but you completely missed it.
    I haven't missed it. I just don't agree with you. I know that people want a pacifist type solution to this problem by correcting the encounter design or reworking healers. I just don't see how either of those things will put the game in a position where teams aren't effortlessly clearing new content with no healer due to OP tanks. That's just my opinion of course and ultimately I don't design the jobs of the game.
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