#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Moonjava]

And where exactly do you have the data that the people who want change is very small and an equal amount of people would be upset at the changes?

Your argument hinges entirely on data that you do not have.

It doesn't- I was clear up front that there is no way of knowing the ratio of people who would like a rework versus people who would be upset by it. My point is, SE doesn't have that data either- they can try to collect it, but it's going to be unreliable, because people who are currently content but would be upset by a rework are going to be less likely to give feedback than people who are currently upset and would like a rework. Given they cannot truly know if reworking healers would excite more people than it would upset, and the fact that such a rework would eat up a lot of development resources and cause other content to fall by the wayside, why should they do it?

[Aravell]

It doesn't- I was clear up front that there is no way of knowing the ratio of people who would like a rework versus people who would be upset by it. My point is, SE doesn't have that data either- they can try to collect it, but it's going to be unreliable, because people who are currently content but would be upset by a rework are going to be less likely to give feedback than people who are currently upset and would like a rework. Given they cannot truly know if reworking healers would excite more people than it would upset, and the fact that such a rework would eat up a lot of development resources and cause other content to fall by the wayside, why should they do it?

And that's what this movement is aiming to prove. If enough healers truly quit in DT to impact their metrics, then it proves that enough people think that the current healer design is garbage and something needs to change. If the numbers are small enough to not matter, then SE can see that it's not worth doing anything.

It remains to be seen how things will turn out, but right now no one has the data and no one can claim the nebulous majority backing. So it's just pro-change vs anti-change.

[Moonjava]

And that's what this movement is aiming to prove. If enough healers truly quit in DT to impact their metrics, then it proves that enough people think that the current healer design is garbage and something needs to change. If the numbers are small enough to not matter, then SE can see that it's not worth doing anything.

It remains to be seen how things will turn out, but right now no one has the data and no one can claim the nebulous majority backing. So it's just pro-change vs anti-change.

Sure, that makes plenty of sense. And if this thread were purely focused on organizing people to try to move the needle on SE's data enough to make them act, I'd have no issue. It's the folks demanding immediate change to not only healer kits, but tank/DPS kits as well that I take umbrage with. It's a demand motivated purely by individual preference with no meaningful justification. And the insinuation that "if you don't think healers are utterly broken garbage and want to continue playing them in DT, then you're an idiot" that's also prevalent in this thread isn't very cool either, imo.

[Supersnow845]

Savage is barely engaging either because all you do is press broil

You easily spend 70-80% of your casts on broil/biolysis because our kits are so overpowered and the damage just isn’t there

[localareanetwork]

Savage is barely engaging either because all you do is press broil

You easily spend 70-80% of your casts on broil/biolysis because our kits are so overpowered and the damage just isn’t there

I want to see you try just pressing broil as Harrowing Hell happens week 1. Stop being disingenuous, it makes the strike harder to take seriously.

[OliviaLugria]

I want to see you try just pressing broil as Harrowing Hell happens week 1. Stop being disingenuous, it makes the strike harder to take seriously.

A mechanic that happens twice in the fight? The guy said 70%-80% of their cast are broil/biolysis. Even if they only spammed succor during HH it wouldn't account for 20%-30%. If anything, that number of broil cast is a very generous percent.

[localareanetwork]

A mechanic that happens twice in the fight? The guy said 70%-80% of their cast are broil/biolysis. Even if they only spammed succor during HH it wouldn't account for 20%-30%. If anything, that number of broil cast is a very generous percent.

He did not do Anabaseios. I don't think he really should speak on the damage it does.

[OliviaLugria]

He did not do Anabaseios. I don't think he really should speak on the damage it does.

which is why I looked at our healer logs :l

[OliviaLugria]

Savage is barely engaging either because all you do is press broil

You easily spend 70-80% of your casts on broil/biolysis because our kits are so overpowered and the damage just isn’t there

just looked at our white mage, which while super un-optimized had 153 damage gcds outta 188 gcds. So... uhm... 81% of the "GCD healer" cast were dps abilities XD

[OliviaLugria]

In FFXIV the healer role is intended to play differently than say something like WOW. In this game your main priority is to do damage and use your off global cooldowns to heal and sustain the party.

If our main priority is to deal damage you might want to talk to the design team. They don't seem to think so. Also, if our main goal is damage, then they should make dealing that damage interesting.