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  1. 06-12-2024 06:04 AM

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    Nyr Ardyne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloody_Kenny View Post
    The healing in high-end content is an "Excel Sheet gaming". You just spread your oGCDs so they cover every damage instance. And for early runs, like week 1-2, you throw a GCD shield before every AoE, just to be safe. It is kinda engaging during prog, but the closer you get to the end of the fight, the more boring it becomes, as CDs line up so you already know what tools you will be using in advance. So basically when your Excel sheet is done, all you have to do is to press 1-1-1-1-1 for 90% of the fight.

    Raids are designed in such a way now that the points where people fumble the most are usually mechs that either body checks themselves or there is a body check right after, so there is nothing your healing ability can save. Even if you throw the most quickest Raise on the Wild West, the chances that the person will rise in time for the check are really small.

    The only content where healers' excessive healing can fix something is casual content. Mechanics rarely work in the "either you all do it or you all will die" way there, the worst you can get is a vuln up stack. So your GCD healing can actually carry people who fumble there. But as was told, if the role is only fun when your teammates are bad at the game - something is wrong with the role.
    Thanks for the insight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Thanks for the insight.
    Some people have already said things, so I'll keep it brief. Most recent log show are sage with 13 gcds in P12S phase 2. (This is also a very um-optimized amount) Their dosis cast were 135 along with 16 Eu Dosis, 13 phlegmas, 13 toxicons and 3 pneuma. So... the amount of dps gcds exceeded healing gcds by more than 10x
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    I just want some competent job design along with a mild difficulty curve. Asking for more seems to much right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    Please stop using the nebulous "they" when you're talking about yourself. You're great at concern trolling though I'll give you that. Sure love to hide behind third person pronouns for your own spiteful opinions.
    Hi Titanmen.


    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    Some people have already said things, so I'll keep it brief. Most recent log show are sage with 13 gcds in P12S phase 2. (This is also a very um-optimized amount) Their dosis cast were 135 along with 16 Eu Dosis, 13 phlegmas, 13 toxicons and 3 pneuma. So... the amount of dps gcds exceeded healing gcds by more than 10x
    Except as Sage some of those damage GCDs might as well represent healing GCDs because of Kardion. Dealing damage is also healing whomever has Kardion.

    Quote Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer View Post
    Job leveling stats is maybe the worst thing you could possibly reference.

    Not only is one of those shared with one of the most popular DPS jobs. I have multiple jobs at or near max level that I don't actually play any more. I only started playing the video game late into Endwalker.

    I have a level 90 Reaper that was just for the Endwalker MSQ, I have not played it since but I still posses a level 90 Reaper. I also have a level 90 DRK that's used exclusively in Hunt Trains because the state of tanks rn frustrates me and an 80~ WHM I couldn't even finish leveling but realistically I could run through Frontlines/Tribes/Khloe and get done.
    I'm not trying to say that every one of those players would absolutely switch to healer if needed.

    But that's a very large pool of potential healers to fill in if other healers decide it's time to stop healing.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 06-12-2024 at 07:36 AM.

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    honestly some folk honestly just need to go to x or twitter or whatever social media platform you use and just ask the content creators their thoughts on the issues, that is likely the best way to get more to talk about it.
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    ~Mew

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    Literally no one is going to respond to a healer strike by taking up healing except a handful of haters.

    In fact, I suspect that if the message grows, more players will directly or subconsciously avoid healing. As I've said before, many ITT are underestimating people who are currently passively tolerating something that they know is both broken and boring for a significant amount of content in this game.

    That's why strikes are so nice..because someone unmotivated hears it and says "You know what? F this". Which is great. We need more of that in this game.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 06-12-2024 at 07:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Literally no one is going to respond to a healer strike by taking up healing except a handful of haters.

    In fact, I suspect that if the message grows, more players will directly or subconsciously avoid healing. As I've said before, many ITT are underestimating people who are currently passively tolerating something that they know is both broken and boring for a significant amount of content in this game.

    That's why strikes are so nice..because someone unmotivated hears it and says "You know what? F this". Which is great. We need more of that in this game.
    Actually, I'm starting to scab this healerstrike as an excuse to level my healers. I'll take the short queue times and free comms if these whiners don't want them.
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    Elmind Exilus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Literally no one is going to respond to a healer strike by taking up healing except a handful of haters.

    In fact, I suspect that if the message grows, more players will directly or subconsciously avoid healing. As I've said before, many ITT are underestimating people who are currently passively tolerating something that they know is both broken and boring for a significant amount of content in this game.

    That's why strikes are so nice..because someone unmotivated hears it and says "You know what? F this". Which is great. We need more of that in this game.
    I find it cute that people think this will actually do anything meaningful (and I'll willingly eat my words if it turns out it does). We have a sea of over 1 million active players right now, and that's going to spike when DT comes out. The group going on "strike" is barely a grain of sand in comparison (several of whom have already in other threads pointed out they already rarely do roulettes or play outside of pre-made static or FC groups). Other people will just see that healer queues have gone from instant 95% of the time to instant 95.1% of the time (actually, they won't even notice that) and just take the insta-queue. I think people seem to be forgetting that once WoW went all-in on esports, FFXIV became the go-to MMO for relaxed, casual players who couldn't care less about people going on "strike."
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    if people REALLY. really thought this wasn't going to do anything they wouldn't be constantly popping in here and crying at us to not do it.

    so like i said earlier today. if you're worried your queues will be so much longer because a portion of the people who main healer are no longer queuing as healer, i will GLADLY applaud you if you try and main healer for the ENTIRETY of dawntrail.

    i don't think you will though.

    prove me wrong, i'd love to see it.

    i do appreciate them not letting the thread fall off of page 1 of the forum tho, that's mighty kind of y'all.
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    Last edited by TheDruidOcelot; 06-12-2024 at 07:20 AM. Reason: accidentally a sentence

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    Aluena Mahri
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDruidOcelot View Post
    if people REALLY. really thought this wasn't going to do anything they wouldn't be constantly popping in here and crying at us to not do it.

    so like i said earlier today. if you're worried your queues will be so much longer because a portion of the people who main healer are no longer queuing as healer, i will GLADLY applaud you if you try and main healer for the ENTIRETY of dawntrail.

    i don't think you will though.

    prove me wrong, i'd love to see it.

    i do appreciate them not letting the thread fall off of page 1 of the forum tho, that's mighty kind of y'all.

    Why wouldn't they, they have a vested interest in keeping the thread on page 1, too. The more 'healers' joining the strike, the better the queues will be for the scab healers, and should the strike succeed in its goal the scabs get... well whichever of the 3 or so manifestos posted so far that SE most agrees with will benefit all the players the most.
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    ~~Thank You Niqo'te

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