#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

It's not your role.
It's CBU3's role, which they give you the opportunity to play.

You think it's a big deal that you don't want to play it? That's very egocentric of you.
I don't want to play a lot of the classes CBU3 makes available, but do you see me complaining?

As long as there's one class I like playing, I'm good.
As it happens, right now that class is SGE. Lucky me.

Literally where are we making a big deal out of it? Where do you see people saying that us not playing the role would result in its downfall? Literally where?

The only people with ego are you people who think that your opinions matter more than ours.

You can't even let us quit the role in peace, you have to come here and naysay everything. Ridiculous.

[Bun_Vivant]

Literally where are we making a big deal out of it?

Trying to organize a strike, setting up a discord server of rit, and promoting it on social media isn't making a big deal of it?
I get that it's an exercise in futility, but still, what y'all are doing is a bit more than the usual healer-classes-suck thread.

Personally, I think it's more egocentric to tell players they aren't allowed to want something ...

And when did I do that? Never, that's when.
Want what ever you want, but as the Man in Black said in TPB, "Get used to dissapointment."

So we're not allowed to connect with other players who feel the same way and spread awareness of the issue?

I never said what anyone was allowed to do, either.
Even if you can't actually counter what I post, please don't make stuff up and then pretend I posted it.
You're not doing yourselves any favors by doing so.

[PapaFranku]

I don't think you understand the point of this thread. We don't expect massive sweeping changes immediately, most of us are just tired of the healer role being so shafted every single expansion so we're just choosing to no longer play it. This thread is to connect with others who feel the same way and spread awareness of the issue.

You can see most of the people who are joining will say that they don't expect anything to change immediately. If this whole thing ends up impacting the queues and makes the dev team rethink, then that's great. If it doesn't, then it doesn't matter to most of us because we'll be off enjoying other roles/games. Most people have already given up on the healer role after 6 years of stagnation anyway.

We are not trying to enact massive immediate change, we are tired of how our role is being treated and choose to stop engaging in it. That is the point.

What people are wanting and what you're saying seem to not be in sync, considering I see people specifically wanting change because they would like to play the jobs they used to enjoy, instead of playing whatever the hell we have now. I'd rather them change overhaul our healers into something that's actually fun again, and give back job identities to ALL because right now they're just homogenizing each and every single job to the point where it's only going to be flavour for what you play.

[Aravell]

Trying to organize a strike, setting up a discord server of rit, and promoting it on social media isn't making a big deal of it?
I get that it's an exercise in futility, but still, what y'all are doing is a bit more than the usual healer-classes-suck thread.

So we're not allowed to connect with other players who feel the same way and spread awareness of the issue?

Ok then. Pop off then, Miss Gatekeeper.

[Niroken]

Heh, at least one YouTuber is looking into it now.

[Bun_Vivant]

I play FFXIV [and] eat disappointment for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

I guess you must enjoy doing that then, or you'd stop, right?
Well, tastes vary, and there's no accounting for it.

[OgruMogru]

Trying to organize a strike, setting up a discord server of rit, and promoting it on social media isn't making a big deal of it?
I get that it's an exercise in futility, but still, what y'all are doing is a bit more than the usual healer-classes-suck thread.

And when did I do that? Never, that's when.
Want what ever you want, but as the Man in Black said in TPB, "Get used to dissapointment."

Stop being such a spiteful gavel-basher and go pop another insta-queue instead.

[Iedarus]

Heh, at least one YouTuber is looking into it now.

I will admit, Cole did make a good point where the no healer clear was slower than a normal comp, but it still doesn't change the facts that healing is so mind-numbingly braindead and job themes are in the toilet. I do hope Xeno catches onto it, even if he does act dismissive towards our cause, it will still give the movement a lot of traction.

[Yenrz]

Adding to this thread for posterity. AST's kit is ridiculously bloated with heals now and with the tank mitigation buffs on top of that, what will I be needing to use all of these new heals on??? Holy hell I'd hope that they drastically rack up heal checks in content to compensate for all these new tools but I very much doubt it, especially with what we know from the media tour.

[JamsC]

lol what. Eye for an eye was a terrible ability that relied on RNG to proc. On single target it would very often never proc during it's entire duration. We have single target and raid-wide OGCD mitigations currently that function nearly identical to virus. "but virus goes ON the boss instead of on the raid" that just literally makes virus worse than what we have now. Cleric stance was annoying, especially with it's short cd. take the nostolgia glasses off :P

Healer gameplay was almost explicitly casting cure regen media, and praying you can get an aero II cast off before having to move and getting everyone to yell at you if you ever used fluid aura for dps. Scholar was even worse off because shields weren't necessary because medica 2 was going to top people up whether the shields were there or not. (coils with holding which most people couldn't even get to twintania let alone past it.)

I healed arr and you can probably find videos of my twintania kill somewhere. The high points of ARR healing was getting to put on multiple dots on the boss and having no OGCD heals. It's sad how similiar the game is now and then in terms of healing. We have more to heal and more OGCD heals to perfect our "never GCD heal" gameplay, but the engagement in healing is in the boss encounters just like it was in ARR. Healers have never given us engaging gameplay.


my point in all of that is to say that healing has gotten better over the years. Playing "never gcd heal" still feels better than "sorry you died because I mistimed my heal due to wanting to cast stone over doing nothing" But it hasn't gotten better enough. they just play healer design too safely. I hope they fix that, but it's not like they've ever given us a reason to think healing will change. It's one of those "well if I wanted to go play wow healing for example I'd go play wow." We can ask for better healing but it's not like it's a surprise when they say "well we've always done our healing this way and are going to continue to do so"

I stand corrected. Apologies for making assumptions. It seems that we both had very different experiences of healing in ARR and I’m sorry that you didn’t feel more engaged by it.

I promise Im not just being nostalgic about Cleric Stance. It really was my favourite part of being a healer in ARR/HW. When we found out it was being gutted in Stormblood, my ingame friends had a good laugh at my expense about it. I take revenge on them for that by speaking at length in raids about how much I miss it . And I honestly think that it Cleric Stance being removed is at the root of at least half of the issues we have with healers today. But I also know thats not a popular opinion and that others mileage may vary on my beloved stance dancing.

Speaking more generally about the points you made, healer gameplay for me was:

In dungeons - to me, being a healer meant using all of my mitigations and support abilities to carve out more time for stance dancing and dotting all the things I found eye for an eye to be extremely useful in dungeons, where it often proc’d on most of the enemies in a big pull, giving me more time in Cleric Stance to dot, bane, and blizzard 2. I also had to manage my MP appropriately throughout the dungeon, in case I actually had to do some GCD healing. I miss that. And lastly, even the dungeons did some actual damage! Big pulls were dangerous! All of this kept me engaged in dungeons and meant that I throughly enjoyed running them. Which is the polar opposite of how I feel today.

In raids - I loved coordinating with my white mage cohealer. I was that nerd that had a specific macro for embrace which (by spamming) allowed me to focus it on to a specific person in order to take some of the pressure off of both healers. And my memories of running coils do not include being useless because of medica 2. In fact, I distinctly remember having to shield and mitigate several mechanics to keep everyone alive. And in your specific point about virus being ON the boss as opposed to our mitigations now being buffs, I agree with that. And you have helped me clarify my thinking. The reason I liked virus/disable was because healers most of the responsibility for group mitigations. It was another thing that I had to be aware of when triaging and dpsing, and it meant I was more engaged in the fight.

Overall, I definitely felt more engaged in healing in the past than I do now. That is my main reason for supporting the idea of the healer strike. I share your pessimism about the possibility of things improving, but this is the last thing I can do before I just stop playing the game completely. So here I am.