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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwmel View Post
    I don't see how any player could be qualified to complain so much about this.
    There may be some potential for tweaking the skill set of the job
    But before that, the response here is insipid and childish.
    If you are of an age where you are able to pay your bills every month and enjoy the game.
    We should all have tried to be more constructive in our feedback.
    You should be a little ashamed that your actions are being talked about on the internet in this way.
    Instead of talking about the guilty forms of complaining and strikes
    Please consider starting a movement by proposing a great alternative.
    WE. HAVE. GIVEN. SIX. YEARS. OF. CONSTRUCTIVE. FEEDBACK. TARGETTING. EVERY. HEALER. FOR. EVERY. LEVEL. OF. SKILL
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    WE. HAVE. GIVEN. SIX. YEARS. OF. CONSTRUCTIVE. FEEDBACK. TARGETTING. EVERY. HEALER. FOR. EVERY. LEVEL. OF. SKILL
    clearly you needed to try harder. maybe eight years have worked. or perhaps ten for a nice round number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    WE. HAVE. GIVEN. SIX. YEARS. OF. CONSTRUCTIVE. FEEDBACK. TARGETTING. EVERY. HEALER. FOR. EVERY. LEVEL. OF. SKILL
    Say it again for the people in the back!
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwmel View Post
    I don't see how any player could be qualified to complain so much about this.
    There may be some potential for tweaking the skill set of the job
    But before that, the response here is insipid and childish.
    If you are of an age where you are able to pay your bills every month and enjoy the game.
    We should all have tried to be more constructive in our feedback.
    You should be a little ashamed that your actions are being talked about on the internet in this way.
    Instead of talking about the guilty forms of complaining and strikes
    Please consider starting a movement by proposing a great alternative.
    You can't be serious. Think about it, do you really think that anyone wants to stop playing a healer, if the enjoy that role? Probably not, even though they may very well switching to other roles from time to time.

    This really hasn't been the first approach, it's more like one that is being tried after years. You should be aware that healers get very little visibility anywhere- not with content creators, LL- anywhere- it's really difficult to get any visibility with Square.

    Addendum- I'm going to take your comment as being well-intended, however trust me, I'm certainly old enough to pay bills and I am not at all ashamed of this thread.
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    Last edited by IDontPetLalas; 06-12-2024 at 12:57 PM.

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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwmel View Post
    I don't see how any player could be qualified to complain so much about this.
    There may be some potential for tweaking the skill set of the job
    But before that, the response here is insipid and childish.
    If you are of an age where you are able to pay your bills every month and enjoy the game.
    We should all have tried to be more constructive in our feedback.
    You should be a little ashamed that your actions are being talked about on the internet in this way.
    Instead of talking about the guilty forms of complaining and strikes
    Please consider starting a movement by proposing a great alternative.
    As others have mentioned, we've given feedback, plenty of times, for several years. The issue is, the place the devs look for feedback, and the place we're told to give feedback (the official forums, and we put it in the Healer section because that makes sense, right?), are two different places entirely. Either they're reading our feedback and throwing it out for some reason, we're being told to leave feedback in the wrong place, or they're just not getting the feedback passed along, either way, we've tried every possible form of feedback. Up to, and including, doing a whole design sheet for the jobs ourselves, with potencies and cooldowns and resource costs listed. Entire 'Job Guide' kind of posts, just on the off chance they see it, and decide 'well we should do something but we want to put the traditional SE amount of effort into the Healers (zero) so let's just copy this, saves us having to do the maths'
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    Tehryn Alexandyr
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    Already on the Discord and adding my support here. Won't be queueing solo as a healer in DF for the foreseeable future.
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    Rofl

    People don't have a clue about they are complaining about. Isn't about the healers not being necessary it's just Tanks are to OP.
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    Cain Andleft
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    Rofl

    People don't have a clue about they are complaining about. Isn't about the healers not being necessary it's just Tanks are to OP.
    All that does is just revert healers to the initial Shadowbringers iteration.
    No, the healer problem goes far deeper than that - feedback for that topic which also get equally ignored.
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    Flan Vongola
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    Rofl

    People don't have a clue about they are complaining about. Isn't about the healers not being necessary it's just Tanks are to OP.
    More like you didnt give a single shit to read previous posts and good reasons, jumped on the last page, saw the tank discussion which happened out of spite and then made your own opinion about something, even though it has been mentioned quite plenty of times.

    Rofl
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    Last edited by xbahax92; 06-12-2024 at 02:00 PM.

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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    As others have mentioned, we've given feedback, plenty of times, for several years. The issue is, the place the devs look for feedback, and the place we're told to give feedback (the official forums, and we put it in the Healer section because that makes sense, right?), are two different places entirely. Either they're reading our feedback and throwing it out for some reason, we're being told to leave feedback in the wrong place, or they're just not getting the feedback passed along, either way, we've tried every possible form of feedback. Up to, and including, doing a whole design sheet for the jobs ourselves, with potencies and cooldowns and resource costs listed. Entire 'Job Guide' kind of posts, just on the off chance they see it, and decide 'well we should do something but we want to put the traditional SE amount of effort into the Healers (zero) so let's just copy this, saves us having to do the maths'
    It's wild that people assume things like we haven't been giving feedback respectfully for 6 years since ShB.

    But I guess we've usually been keeping to ourselves in the healer forums and it only started leaking out into general discussion in EW.
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